Civilian traffic

[Jonny]

It would be nice if the airspace would have civilian traffic on the airways structure. It would increase realism and immersion and provide another layer of realism to the sim.

[Jexmatex]

i agree, may be something like the civilian mod but without having to load a specific mod.

 

or at least some random liner to use.

[LooseSeal]

Can't see it happening, unfortunately. I seem to recall them not wanting to put stuff in the game that could potentially be construed as 'war crimes', or something along those lines. Ahem, cluster bombs....

 

Also, while it seems like it would be cool, there are so few scenarios where it would be applicable that I don't think it would be worth the effort to make brand new models and new civilian AI, and implement it seamlessly into DCS. In the majority of scenarios we encounter in DCS there is a 'war' situation, and realistically the airspace would be shut pretty damn quickly. The only scenarios I can think of are; interceptions of bombers; the very first hour of a major conflict; small-scale, civil conflict where civil traffic hasn't been closed off from (a la Flight 17 over Ukraine). Don't think it's worth the effort, I'm afraid.

 

Perhaps a couple of generic passenger jet models would suffice for mission/campaign makers to add of their own accord?

[fagulha]

I use this script for Random Air Traffic in my missions. I use the Civilian Aircraft Mod or when needed i use military aircraft AI from DCS. Great for intercepts, immersion, etc

For now it´s the only way for we have random air traffic.

 

 

[Tank50us]

Please don't take this the wrong way dude, but this is a topic that's been brought up multiple times.

 

Yes, I would like to see civil aircraft be added to DCS (especially since some of them are used as VIP transport).

 

Yes it would be quite cool to have them for certain scenarios.

However it's highly unlikely ED will ever make them, because of the implications involved. Just look at all of the times ArmAIII was used by some news agency to accuse one country of attacking another, and then remember that DCS looks a lot better, and it would be hard for the average emotional person to tell that the news agency is using video game footage and not actual footage of an incident. ED doesn't want to be a part of that.

[GOZR]

possible to offer all in just one easy package?  it's extremely complicated .. many files.. load into pc etc..  Great work !!!!  but simplify for regular human to install..  super thanks

Edited November 4, 2023 by GOZR

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On 10/7/2021 at 9:56 AM, Tank50us said:

Please don't take this the wrong way dude, but this is a topic that's been brought up multiple times.

 

Yes, I would like to see civil aircraft be added to DCS (especially since some of them are used as VIP transport).

 

Yes it would be quite cool to have them for certain scenarios.

However it's highly unlikely ED will ever make them, because of the implications involved. Just look at all of the times ArmAIII was used by some news agency to accuse one country of attacking another, and then remember that DCS looks a lot better, and it would be hard for the average emotional person to tell that the news agency is using video game footage and not actual footage of an incident. ED doesn't want to be a part of that.

Isn't that 'argument' utter bull poop? We have civilian models in-game (albeit static) and we have civilian cars driving around that can be blown up... so that 'argument' fails at the first test. 

Surely it's really down to they just can't be bothered rather than some overly political statement - on a game where we routinely blow stuff up?

[shagrat]

On top we have rules-of-engagements in all modern scenarios, where asymmetrical warfare was the norm. So to actually simulate(!) any post 90ies conflict, we need civilian/neutral non-combatants to simulate the challenge for the pilots to do proper identification, weigh weapon effects and radius against the risk of collateral damage.

Currently it is mostly "if it moves, shoot it", which doesn't do the challenge and complexity justice.

[Raisuli]

7 minutes ago, shagrat said:

On top we have rules-of-engagements in all modern scenarios, where asymmetrical warfare was the norm. So to actually simulate(!) any post 90ies conflict, we need civilian/neutral non-combatants to simulate the challenge for the pilots to do proper identification, weigh weapon effects and radius against the risk of collateral damage.

Currently it is mostly "if it moves, shoot it", which doesn't do the challenge and complexity justice.

If I'm not supposed to shoot C-5s at civilian airliners should I stop harpooning civilian ships?

[shagrat]

vor 6 Minuten schrieb Raisuli:

If I'm not supposed to shoot C-5s at civilian airliners should I stop harpooning civilian ships?

More important, what I would love to create in missions is the "civilian life" in an insurgency scenario, where the bad guys can't be just eliminated by saturating a whole village with bombs and rockets and deliberately deciding on weapon employment and parameters, or even waiting for the target to clear a populated area, is part of the mission.

[Raisuli]

1 minute ago, shagrat said:

More important, what I would love to create in missions is the "civilian life" in an insurgency scenario, where the bad guys can't be just eliminated by saturating a whole village with bombs and rockets and deliberately deciding on weapon employment and parameters, or even waiting for the target to clear a populated area, is part of the mission.

You mean I can't use 10 CBU-97s to clear a few city blocks on the theory that absolutely everyone in those apartment complexes is irrevocably evil and thinks football is something played with an oblate spheroid using your hands?  That would complicate the crap out of my urban renewal planning.

[shagrat]

vor 3 Minuten schrieb Raisuli:

You mean I can't use 10 CBU-97s to clear a few city blocks on the theory that absolutely everyone in those apartment complexes is irrevocably evil and thinks football is something played with an oblate spheroid using your hands?  That would complicate the crap out of my urban renewal planning.

I mean if I've built the mission and briefed specific rules of engagement, you would have lost the mission, get requested to RTB and missed out on the remaining action...

[cfrag]

On 1/31/2024 at 9:14 PM, Raisuli said:

football is something played with an oblate spheroid using your hands

Anyone who thinks that can’t be redeemed.