the_soupdragon Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) Topic is in the title. We have detailed startup procedures but does anyone know the correct sequence to shutdown this bird? Or is it a case of just reversing the startup routine? Cheers SD Edited December 2, 2008 by the_soupdragon [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick-GER- Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 the directly opposite of startup.. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] F-14 Tomcat Rest in Peace (and hopefully get reborn in DCS!) (Dream came true about 10 years later, now the Apache please :lol:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunDown Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Section 6-16 of the manual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tusler Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Hi, Shutdown procedures would start with something like- 1.Start APU to provide elect power,fire warn,and comms with twr & grnd. 2.Shutdown engines. 3.Apply rotor brake at a proper % 4.Shutdown all Nav systems then shut down radios, lights and any switches remaining on. 5.Shutdown the APU 6 Shutdown the battery or external power last. Hope this helps Ask Jesus for Forgiveness before you takeoff :pilotfly:! PC=Win 10 HP 64 bit, Gigabyte Z390, Intel I5-9600k, 32 gig ram, Nvidia 2060 Super 8gig video. TM HOTAS WARTHOG with Saitek Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 APU is only used to start the engines and does not provide electrical power, so it is not started during shutdown. Also, you would not plug in external power just to shut down. During shutdown, all electrical power requirements would be handled either by the generators while the engines are running at AUTO, or by the onboard batteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Something like AlphaOneSix's startup checklist. ie.: real checklist format would be awsome. I'm a checlist type of simmer, I think it adds to the level of immersion. :pilotfly: MOBO ASUS P5QL-Pro, Intel Q9550 2.8Ghz @ 3.5 GHZ, 8GB DDR2 Crucial, XFX HD6950, TM Warthog, TIR4 /w Pro-Clip, 24 In Samsung Syncmaster LED, 2 X Cheapo 8in LCD's for MFD's and TM MFCD's attached to it, Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Working on it...just have to do some house chores for the wife. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiFly62 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 1. Open door 2. Get out 3. Run like Hell :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siniraag Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 There is no thing like shutdown checklist, you just have to eject :) still here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Well, I was going to say that I have no shutdown checklist, because I have not yet gotten to a point in the game where shutting down is something I need to do, because: 1- The aircraft and I land at different locations, and the aircraft performs its own "accelerated shutdown" routine, usually very extravagantly with a lot of visual effects. 2- The aircraft lands with me in it, but due to specific circumstances, the aircraft has taken care of shutting everything down long before I made contact with the ground. 3- The aircraft, and the pilot, shuts everything down in a single cataclysmic manner immediately upon contact with the ground. 4- The aircraft, or at least any recognizable piece of it, doesn't land at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baksie Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Well, I was going to say that I have no shutdown checklist, because I have not yet gotten to a point in the game where shutting down is something I need to do, because: 1- The aircraft and I land at different locations, and the aircraft performs its own "accelerated shutdown" routine, usually very extravagantly with a lot of visual effects. 2- The aircraft lands with me in it, but due to specific circumstances, the aircraft has taken care of shutting everything down long before I made contact with the ground. 3- The aircraft, and the pilot, shuts everything down in a single cataclysmic manner immediately upon contact with the ground. 4- The aircraft, or at least any recognizable piece of it, doesn't land at all. :megalol: Intel I7-10700K, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB NVMe, MSI Z490 ACE, RAM:64GB DDR4 3600, WIN 10-64, 1080Ti Waiting on a good RTX AH-64D|AV-88|A10CII|F15E|F16CM|FA18C|F14B|NV|PG|Syria|Synia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tusler Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 APU is only used to start the engines and does not provide electrical power, so it is not started during shutdown. Also, you would not plug in external power just to shut down. During shutdown, all electrical power requirements would be handled either by the generators while the engines are running at AUTO, or by the onboard batteries. Thanks for the correction, I am guessing from how some US choppers operate, so the APU only provides bleed air for starting,ok. i am use to it running an accessory gear box, running generators and hyd pumps to provide functions. Sorry for miss-leading guys Ask Jesus for Forgiveness before you takeoff :pilotfly:! PC=Win 10 HP 64 bit, Gigabyte Z390, Intel I5-9600k, 32 gig ram, Nvidia 2060 Super 8gig video. TM HOTAS WARTHOG with Saitek Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 i am use to it running an accessory gear box, running generators and hyd pumps to provide functions. Most western aircraft with APU's operate this way. The Ka-50 does have an "accessory gearbox" that can be operated by bleed air from the APU, but this is not for normal operations. It is done through the use of the Turbo Gear, but can only be engaged and disengaged from outside the aircraft by ground crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjolner Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 LWIn + End... I do this and then watch the blades stop. By the time I am done flying a mission and manage to land where I take aim for, I am ready to do a fast shut down. Otherwise, I would start the APU, put the fuel levers down, and turn everything off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shepski Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Really quick? 1. Fuel levers - off 2. rotor brake - on. 3. Batteries - off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderChief Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I read somewhere that on some engines you have to run them for a while at idle load to let them cool down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Otherwise, I would start the APU, put the fuel levers down, and turn everything off. Starting the APU doesn't do anything for you, leave it off during shutdown. I read somewhere that on some engines you have to run them for a while at idle load to let them cool down. It all depends on the amount of realism you're wanting to put up with. Normally, you let the engines run at idle for a few minutes to cool off before you shut them down. This is common for U.S. helicopters. It may not matter on the TV3-117 engine, but where I work (on Mi-17s), we also idle for 2 minutes prior to shutdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Also, while it's certainly not perfect, I have shutdown procedures in my check list that I'm working on: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=582866&postcount=65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303_Tees Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Hi, Shutdown procedures would start with something like- 1.Start APU to provide elect power,fire warn,and comms with twr & grnd. You turn off APU just after generatort start work thats what i know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tusler Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 In the manual there is a page labeled Engines and Equipment Shut Down I do not know the page# it is in chap 6 about the 15th page right before Route Descent and Hover Modes Ask Jesus for Forgiveness before you takeoff :pilotfly:! PC=Win 10 HP 64 bit, Gigabyte Z390, Intel I5-9600k, 32 gig ram, Nvidia 2060 Super 8gig video. TM HOTAS WARTHOG with Saitek Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 The APU is only used to start the engines. Once both engines are started, there is no need to have the APU running. Since you are not starting the engines again during shutdown, there is no use in starting it up at all when shutting down the aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therion_prime Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Unrealistic shutdown procedure: 1) Trottle to Idle 2) Fuel cutoff levers off 3) When Rotor RPM is low -> rotor brake on 4) The rest doesn't really matter, you can just switch off the batteries and the chopper is shut down. If you want to start again, just switch the batteries on and everything's working again. The order in which you turn off the switches doesn't have any negative effects as I experienced so far :D. My DCS movies: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sealpup Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Realisticly you'd turn things on and off in sequence to prevent power spikes in the electrical system. Simply shutting everything off with the battery master, and then turning it on the same way later, is just asking to pop every breaker in the bird or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz-hawk Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Maybe I'm the only person who's run across this, but I find if I don't shut off the engine governers prior to cutting the fuel flow I end up with a gearbox warning light. Somehow it doesn't seem like I should be shutting off the governers before the engines are off though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therion_prime Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) Maybe I'm the only person who's run across this, but I find if I don't shut off the engine governers prior to cutting the fuel flow I end up with a gearbox warning light. Somehow it doesn't seem like I should be shutting off the governers before the engines are off though. I think you refer to the "gearbox oil pressure" message. That's normal. No malfunction here. Just turn off the EKRAN and the message will go away! :D Edited December 10, 2008 by therion_prime My DCS movies: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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