New pilot. Loss of tail rotor effectiveness in IGE hover below 20 meter.

[MAXsenna]

3 hours ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

Don't know. Just does. In Training mission leaving ECL in default mid pos, works fine. But in custom missions, leaving ECL in mid and only MAX'ing on twist grip, I would not get enough power. In fact, I would get "Generator FAIL" Nagging'Nadya when accelerating and climbing, and HUD cross hairs would go off, AP channels would pop OFF, magnetic trim loss of power would have the biggest  effect on flight. Nose would snap to side up or down, depending on cyclic trim at time of generator loss. Then everything would power back up, only to once again loose power for short time. Putting ECL at max UP and twist grip throttle at max, makes all those problems go away. The rotor and engine RPM are all nicely bracketed by green lines. 93% as described in RTFM. 

Turn on the fan. It will show you when you lose power, and when it's restored, so you can quickly turn on the channels.

4 hours ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

So whats the trick of using 'paper' map display in our sims. If we are overflying known position on map,  slide the gridsquare cross over that. OK then what? Same as a marker on kneepad. Is there a waypoint caret that appears on HSI , as with DF? Or do we just do mental Magnetic To Grid Easterly ADD or MAGE acronym ,  Grid to Magnetic Easterly Subtract, then set that course? Or do we just cheat and use kneepad with marker to orient along our route? So analog!

@Northstar98 Pinging you, so you can explain.

[unknown]

7 hours ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

In Training mission leaving ECL in default mid pos, works fine. But in custom missions, leaving ECL in mid and only MAX'ing on twist grip, I would not get enough power.

Can you please post a track of your takeoff attempt on one of these custom missions? Because nobody can reproduce what you say under normal circumstances. The only time i have "problems" to get the Hind off the ground is with full fuel, full armament and a mission with high environmental temperature. 

The only way to help you is to have a trackfile from you!

[Northstar98]

20 hours ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

So whats the trick of using 'paper' map display in our sims. If we are overflying known position on map,  slide the gridsquare cross over that. OK then what?

That's basically it, if you notice your own-position mark has drifted, you can overfly a known position on the map and adjust it.

20 hours ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

Same as a marker on kneepad. Is there a waypoint caret that appears on HSI , as with DF?

Nope, it's all completely manual, the only kind of steering information is done via the readouts of the doppler navigation system, but the only inputs and outputs are true heading, distance and offset from your course.

The doppler system measures your ground speed and ground track, which it uses to update the readouts, and the position of the own-position mark on the map.

But as far as giving you a caret - that's something you have to set manually, using the course needle.

So let's say my waypoint is 095°T for 50 km from my current position, what I would do is set 095° on the course needle, input 095 on the doppler read out, and input 50 km using the H (AFT) button.

I would then try to fly a ground track of 095°T (for example, by flying 095°T and keeping the drift indicator centred), and watch the distance count down. You'll be able to see how much you've drifted left/right, and you can use the doppler system to make corrections.

If you want to fly the reciprocal heading for the same distance, you can leave it at 095°T, but input the required distance using the B (FWD) button. The only consideration though is now your drift/offset readout will be inverted (so if indicates a left drift, you'll actually right of your reciprocal course, and so will need to turn to the left to correct it).

The system isn't perfect and may accrue errors, but it's pretty good as a sort of budget INS.

 

For a deeper overview and usage in practice, I'd strongly recommend watching this video:

It's for the Hip, but the exact same principles apply for the Hind, and it uses essentially the same system. The only difference is that in the Hind, the ground track and ground speed the doppler system provides is used to displace the own-position mark.

20 hours ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

Or do we just do mental Magnetic To Grid Easterly ADD or MAGE acronym ,  Grid to Magnetic Easterly Subtract, then set that course? Or do we just cheat and use kneepad with marker to orient along our route? So analog!

Generally, you should know the respective bearings and distances for each waypoint, and you simply just fly the headings and distances and correct for drift. When reaching a waypoint, you have to set the values accordingly.

Personally, I just use the F10 map and ruler, though waypoints (if defined in the mission editor), should be marked on the map, along with respective bearings and distances to each.

Edited January 21, 2022 by Northstar98
grammar

[MAXsenna]

Thanks @Northstar98

[DmitriKozlowsky]

Yep. Problems solved. The answer is that ECL levers have to in UP (MAX) position prior to start. Even states so in the kneepad . Though not by voiceover in training mission. Otherwise, all good. FPS is pretty good. Between 78-120.  Now on to weapons. Why AI is telling me always  "Sight Can't Be Moved Yet."

[unknown]

1 hour ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

Yep. Problems solved. The answer is that ECL levers have to in UP (MAX) position prior to start. Even states so in the kneepad

No it's not solved because what you wrote is WRONG. Also you must be using a different kneepad because mine says: MIDDLE POSITION LOCKED and never it says put them in up position.

PLEASE post a track file showing your problem, because we a courious why this happens to you and we want to help you. Learning the wrong thing isn't gonna help you!

[Boosterdog]

20 minutes ago, unknown said:

No it's not solved because what you wrote is WRONG. Also you must be using a different kneepad because mine says: MIDDLE POSITION LOCKED and never it says put them in up position.

PLEASE post a track file showing your problem, because we a courious why this happens to you and we want to help you. Learning the wrong thing isn't gonna help you!

I fear that you are wasting your breath and your time.

OP knows best. Let him get on with it. 

[DmitriKozlowsky]

42 minutes ago, unknown said:

No it's not solved because what you wrote is WRONG. Also you must be using a different kneepad because mine says: MIDDLE POSITION LOCKED and never it says put them in up position.

PLEASE post a track file showing your problem, because we a courious why this happens to you and we want to help you. Learning the wrong thing isn't gonna help you!

Well you are right. My error. I interpreted ENGINE STOP LEVERS (down prior to APU start) as ECL. But in any case , no problem, at least for me. As long as ECL is in UP (max) position after start , for flight, no problem. Thank you. 

[unknown]

36 minutes ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

Well you are right. My error. I interpreted ENGINE STOP LEVERS (down prior to APU start) as ECL. But in any case , no problem, at least for me. As long as ECL is in UP (max) position after start , for flight, no problem. Thank you. 

Ok, your approach to your problem is to put a car in first gear, pedal to the metal and don't care why it's loud and slow, becuase it is driving after all. If you are fine with this "solution", so be it, have fun, but please don't complain about xyz "problem" in the future, i'm out.

1 hour ago, Boosterdog said:

I fear that you are wasting your breath and your time.

OP knows best. Let him get on with it. 

Looks like you're right. If i remember correctly we had the same situation also in other modules in the past, so....... like i said above, i'm out.  

[Boosterdog]

7 minutes ago, unknown said:

 

If i remember correctly 

You do.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

OK, here is a track of multiple in flight gen fails. 

MI24_generator_fail _in flightl.trk

[admiki]

15 minutes ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

OK, here is a track of multiple in flight gen fails. 

MI24_generator_fail _in flightl.trk 3.88 MB · 0 downloads

I literally have no idea why you came here asking for help?

I have just spent time watching you messing around in front cockpit, which has absolutely nothing to do with start up and gen failure you say you are experiencing. And then you hide your collective, so we can't see what is going on and after all that you move ECL's up?! After we have told you multiple times not to do it?! 

I am willing to give this one more go. 

Record a track with this conditions:

- do not spend 5 minutes just sitting and doing nothing;

-do not go to front cockpit;

-DO NOT TOUCH ECL's AT ALL;

-do not mess with weapons, I don't have time to watch you setting weapons when you can't lift off in the first place.

If you want to do it like this, I will try to help you. If not, fine by me, but do not expect any help with future issues, which I am sure you will have.

[Boosterdog]

11 minutes ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

OK, here is a track of multiple in flight gen fails. 

MI24_generator_fail _in flightl.trk 3.88 MB · 1 download

The be brutally honest, you do not even come anywhere near the correct start up procedure for the Hind. Its difficult to say excactly what you are doing worng other than to say "almost everything". 

Also please pay those attempting to help you the courtesy of producing a trk file free of the huge amount of unnessary delay and dithering about you inflict in this instance.  5 minutes of nothing but nonsense before you even hit the first relevant switch. Other people are giving their free time to help you.  Respect that please. 

Having watched the track I strongly suggest you replay the tutorials and pay proper attention to them as its clear that, to date, you havent. There is nothing anyone can help you refine when your procedures are so flawed in the first instance. 

 

1 minute ago, admiki said:

do not expect any help with future issues, which I am sure you will have.

you think? 

[admiki]

BTW, I do know what is causing his problems

[DmitriKozlowsky]

Well I followed the procedure from training mission.

Here is a trk from same mission as above, but with auto_start cheat. Leaving ECL in mid position.

I still get the generator fail.

MI24_generator_fail _with_AutoStart.trk

[admiki]

7 minutes ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

Well I followed the procedure from training mission.

Here is a trk from same mission as above, but with auto_start cheat. Leaving ECL in mid position.

I still get the generator fail.

MI24_generator_fail _with_AutoStart.trk 1.21 MB · 0 downloads

What training mission? Do you have a link?

[DmitriKozlowsky]

MI-24P/Training/Start-up,taxi, and take-off  

From main menu,

[admiki]

OK, track is broken for me, I just watched you roll onto grass and then crash. 

Anyway, nowhere in that training mission did you need to go to front cockpit, so thank you for waisting our time.

 

Now, the reason why you are lossing generators is that you have dust separator heating ON/engine anti ice, which make sense in cold temperatures. What does not make sense is to heat dust separator when you did not engage dust protection in the first place.

Anyway, once you are ready to lift off, switch dust separator heating to OFF. 

 

Edited January 22, 2022 by admiki

[DmitriKozlowsky]

26 minutes ago, admiki said:

OK, track is broken for me, I just watched you roll onto grass and then crash. 

Anyway, nowhere in that training mission did you need to go to front cockpit, so thank you for waisting our time.

 

Now, the reason why you are lossing generators is that you have dust separator heating ON/engine anti ice, which make sense in cold temperatures. What does not make sense is to heat dust separator when you did not engage dust protection in the first place.

Anyway, once you are ready to lift off, switch dust separator heating to OFF. 

 

 

That trk performance does not make sense at all. I did autoStart cheat then taxied and took off. I get Gen fail regardless of use of anti-ice heating. But its good to know about heat dust separator. Thank you.

The fact that trk playback is inconsistent among players, is a red flag.

[admiki]

Only way to get Gen failure in normal flying is by your own mistakes, ex. pulling collective too fast

[DmitriKozlowsky]

OK. Here is another track. Manual start. But still get gen fail. So I am not quite certain where I am erroring. Quite confusing.

One thing that I am struggling with, is why during start up, which Wheel Brake ON and collective bottomed, the helicopter moves. I have to apply pedals to counteract. I figure that helicopter with collective at zero, and wheel brake ON, should be glued to the ground.

 

Now this track has start up, taxi, and lift off then flight for short time until gen fail. If you are getting roll and crash, then there is something really fuzzed in module or DCS. 

How is that even possible? What is in TRK file, that it would not play back same on another user's machine?

MI24_generator_fail _with_ManStart.trk

[DmitriKozlowsky]

This is my last TRK posting for this thread. I am still getting generator fail in flight at random times.  I am following start-up checklist as per training mission and kneepad check list. Unfortunately I am not getting a reason why.

MI24_generator_fail _in flightl_2.trk

[admiki]

can you record your flying and put it on Youtube or something? All tracks are broken (yeah, I know they shouldn't be, but they are, so you can drop the  red flag thing).

Since I have given this much time, I can take one more look.

[KoN]

Tracks are broken in DCS period . Been like this for long time . 

If he is starting from training missions are they not broken too , Red light always comes on system fail in engine . 

Best thing to do is make own mission start auto start and take off .

Trim and Slowly rise the airframe up .

Not fast . !!!!!!!

You will get engines broken .

trim and rise Slow . 

No need to touch the two throttles leave in middle . Auto .

[DmitriKozlowsky]

The TRK playback on my own system, where I had recorded it, is completely wrong. It shows me taxing helicopter into parked C-130. Which I did not do! I taxied onto runway and took off. Darn it! DCS. What is up with that. THat means TRK playback cannot be trusted to make accurate playback videos for YT videos. Oh well. Screw it! I guess I am my own.

16 hours ago, KoN said:

Tracks are broken in DCS period . Been like this for long time . 

If he is starting from training missions are they not broken too , Red light always comes on system fail in engine . 

Best thing to do is make own mission start auto start and take off .

Trim and Slowly rise the airframe up .

Not fast . !!!!!!!

You will get engines broken .

trim and rise Slow . 

No need to touch the two throttles leave in middle . Auto .

I get generator fail, in stable forward flight.