LHAQ mode range has changed?

[maxTRX]

In a constant search for 'tricky' tactics to compensate for radar and other systems deficiencies, I set up an arcade type of scenario:  A lone wolf (moi) with 10 AMRAAMs, against 4 defenseless J11A's set to ace, well... I gave 2 of them a couple of Archers .

The main goal of this game was to look for 'hidden' changes and... I think I've found a few (intended or unintended, idn).  The one that got me edgy was a decreased range for LHAQ acquisition. I was only able to lock bandits (no jammers) from around 12 ~ 15nm in a head-on aspect, co-altitude or look-up. Another issue I encountered a couple of times was a lock on a pocket of air. There was no bandit or any other object in the TD box, as I approached within VID range. Some locks were too persistent. With my track 'age' set to 4 sec., the darn HMD was still tracking something as I turned 180 deg. away. I'm telling ya... this is going backwards.

https://youtu.be/IjP80FnKv7w

 

[Hulkbust44]

Yeah that range is atrociously short.

In DCS right now in HPRF you get 48nm max for a Fighter. LACQ is supposed to see out to 40nm and only uses MPRF. Maximum range for MPRF in DCS is some 26nm.

What we're seeing here, picking up a flanker only at 15nm is clearly wrong.

Only time the LACQ range was ever really correct was when the overall radar was too powerful. HPRF was seeing too far, but MPRF was just about right.


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[diamond26]

I can confirm, unfortunately, that one of the JHMCS benefits is not working as described. There is no way lately to get a lock with LHACQ beyond 25nm

Edited March 28, 2022 by diamond26

[FrostLaufeyson]

Why did this happen..

This was a very useful function that is now the same as HACQ. .

I feel so sad 

[skywalker22]

Is this maybe a bug then?

[FrostLaufeyson]

I tested it today, now it's 30nm

LHAQ 30nm.trk

Edited April 3, 2022 by FrostLaufeyson

[maxTRX]

7 hours ago, FrostLaufeyson said:

I tested it today, now it's 30nm

LHAQ 30nm.trk 55.82 kB · 2 downloads

 

I'll check it out later.  

[Harker]

Also tested it. The range gate is set to 40 NM, according to the RDR ATTK page and the actual limit is the acquisition range (because detection and acquisition ranges are apparently different now) in Medium PRF. I could lock a MiG-29 at 20 NM, for example.

[diamond26]

1 hour ago, Harker said:

Also tested it. The range gate is set to 40 NM, according to the RDR ATTK page and the actual limit is the acquisition range (because detection and acquisition ranges are apparently different now) in Medium PRF. I could lock a MiG-29 at 20 NM, for example.

Yes I had a similar detection range, max 25nm

 

[FrostLaufeyson]

14小时前，Harker说：

I could lock a MiG-29 at 20 NM, for example.

 

13小时前，diamond26说：

Yes I had a similar detection range, max 25nm

Do we need to report this as a bug and wait for an answer?

[diamond26]

29 minutes ago, FrostLaufeyson said:

 

Do we need to report this as a bug and wait for an answer?

as long a track is available that shows acquisition in a significantly less distance than 40nm, I guess it can classified as a bug. At least in that case we may take an answer why its worst than it was before.

 

[FrostLaufeyson]

1小时前，diamond26说：

as long a track is available that shows acquisition in a significantly less distance than 40nm, I guess it can classified as a bug. At least in that case we may take an answer why its worst than it was before.

 

I reported it, let's wait for the answer

[maxTRX]

I won't try to sound like an expert on overall performance of this APG73. My 'experienced' gamer evaluation can be summed up as... 

Now, just focusing on detection ranges, Viper size target, above 30k ft. co-altitude, RWS soft lock at 43nm, LHAQ at 30.5nm... I can live with it.  In a look up situation though, say I'm on deck painting the bandit 34k ft. above (RWS scan w/ AWACS feed and my elev. adjusted), I can only soft lock him slightly above 12 nm. LHAQ the same. PRF makes no difference.

 

[maxTRX]

@Hornet experts:  Are these ranges realistic?  (roughly )

 

[Tholozor]

Looks about right for medium PRF on a fighter-sized target.