The F-35 Thread

[Golo]

The F-35s cant run on hot fuel.

http://www.af.mil/News/

[Snoopy]

The F-35s cant run on hot fuel.

http://www.af.mil/News/

 

POS, can't wait to deploy to the middle east and ground abort because the fuel is to hot. Blows my mind the amount of money we've put into this airframe and things like this happen. I'm sure I'll be working the 35 or 22 within the next 5 years but I am not looking forward to it. :noexpression:

[beaupower32]

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Edited May 29, 2015 by beaupower32

[NineLine]

If employed by a civil firm you could loose your job for this attitude.

 

People complain about their jobs everywhere, but that's not really on topic for this thread is it? Not to mention its just not gonna lead anywhere good calling someone out is it?

 

Stay on topic please.

[mvsgas]

For some reason, Luke has always done things slightly differently when it comes to aircraft fuel. I remember a while ago Luke was ( and I think still is) the only USAF base that used JP-8+100. At least I don't remember ever seen it any where else.

[Snoopy]

Dont believe everything you read. Warm fuel has not been a problem for us out here.

 

I don't, have friends who work her at Eglin.

[SkateZilla]

That fuel article was "off" to say the least.

 

Whats next, when a winter storm hits they gonna say it wont run on cold fuel?

 

I have close family friends working with the F-35 as a part of VFA-101

[104th_Maverick]

Doesn't look so off to me ....

 

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-f-35-cant-run-on-warm-gas-from-a-fuel-truck-that-sa-1668120726

 

Chief Master Sgt. Ralph Resch, the 56th LRS fuels manager added:

"We are taking proactive measures to mitigate any possible aircraft shutdowns due to high fuel temperatures in the future. It ensures the F-35 is able to meet its sortie requirements... This is the short-term goal to cool the fuel for the F-35; however, the long-term fix is to have parking shades for the refuelers."

 

Looks like some pretty substantial problems!

 

Another mega fail for the F-35.. I really hope the UK drops them, unlikely sadly :(

 

Bring back our fecking GR9's!!!!

[Basher54321]

YAWN

 

What next from FA - "dead bug cannot be cleaned from jet and compromises Stealth shock"

[aaron886]

I don't think there's any compelling evidence that the F-35 has a fuel temp management problem. News outlets are retracting that PR statement and replacing it with a more speculative suggestion.

[beaupower32]

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Edited May 29, 2015 by beaupower32

[Cali]

There is no real evidence. Fuel sitting in a huge tank in the sun is going to heat up no matter what. We refuel from both types of trucks, the green and white painted ones. I have not seen that much of a temp difference between the two when refueling.

 

Did you take the temps? and if you did, how did you do it?

[NineLine]

I read it as a safety restriction for refuelling the aircraft, much the same as distances to structures/running engines. Do all aircraft not have a safe max supplied fuel temp?

 

You would think, and its not surprising it would have tighter limits right now for an aircraft still in the testing/development stages...

[beaupower32]

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Edited May 29, 2015 by beaupower32

[outlawal2]

Yup, just as we thought Sith, another BS beat up:

http://breakingdefense.com/2014/12/the-tale-of-the-f-35-and-hot-jet-fuel/

 

“This is not an F-35 issue; there are no special restrictions on the F-35 related to fuel temperature. The F-35 uses the same fuel as other military aircraft. It can fly under the same temperature conditions as any other advanced military aircraft,” said Joe DellaVedova, program spokesman, in an email yesterday evening.

 

“Painting fuel trucks to reduce fuel temperature and improve aircraft performance will benefit legacy aircraft as well as F-35. There is no fuel temperature upper limitation on F-35 operations that would prevent sorties, and no sorties have been cancelled as a result of fuel temperature,” Kyra Hawn, deputy spokesman at the JPO, said in an email this morning.

 

“Daily F-35 operations at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, and Luke Air Force Base have been unaffected by hot environment or fuel temperature.”

 

Gee big surprise.. More naysayers making crap up to support their own biases regarding an aircraft they haze ZERO workable information on and know next to nothing about...

 

AWESOME!

:doh:

[rajdary]

YAWN

 

What next from FA - "dead bug cannot be cleaned from jet and compromises Stealth shock"

 

LMFAO :lol:

[vicx]

Keep seeing the F-35 mentioned as the last US made human-in-actual-airframe airborne strike platform.

 

Supersonic drones from now on?

[outlawal2]

Keep seeing the F-35 mentioned as the last US made human-in-actual-airframe airborne strike platform.

 

Supersonic drones from now on?

 

Yeah probably the case since F-35 will be in use well into 2050...

 

I still have doubts though about using drones for everything.. Sooner or later someone will figure out how to jam them, scramble them whatever, and then you are dead in the water.. I would rather like to see at least a FEW models remain manned just in case..

 

I feel the entire US military arsenal has tunnel vision... So everything is connected and works awesome and is accurate to 1 meter, blah blah blah... Yep.. Right up until someone sets off a nuke in the atmosphere and takes out all of the GPS satellites... Then NOTHING the US military has works anymore... NOTHING.

 

Back to rifles and pistols...

..And throwing effing ROCKS. :mad:

 

REALLY think they are putting all their eggs in a vulnerable basket..

[Cali]

We have a computer that we hook up to monitor the systems, and I can see the fuel temps. Read what 14th_Jar has said just above me, we are expericing the exact same things. There are no restrictions.

 

I was asking because I'm aircraft fuel systems and have been stationed at Luke from 2005-2011 and Alaska. I've never seen a problem with hot or cold fuel. I know the jets get burning hot if they aren't under the shades, try climbing on the backbone of one that's been sitting in the sun all day.

[tflash]

Fuel is an integral part of the F-35 cooling system, so I can imagine temp tolerances are tighter than on other aircraft? Seems very logical to me that they do some tryouts to see whether somewhat cooler fuel helps improve system availability.

[mvsgas]

Fuel is an integral part of the F-35 cooling system, so I can imagine temp tolerances are tighter than on other aircraft? Seems very logical to me that they do some tryouts to see whether somewhat cooler fuel helps improve system availability.

 

Fuel is used to cool things in the F-16 and F-117 also, never heard of specific fuel temps affecting those aircraft.

[tflash]

That's all true, but the F-35 takes heat management a dimension futher, if I'm right also to improve the heat signature of the aircraft. So what I'm saying is the temperature tolerances might be narrower than on legacy aircraft.

[Cali]

As in sure we are all aware the main problem with jet fuel is it gets too cold and any water contamination can turn to ice and block fuel supply.

Most aircraft I've had experience with use fuel to cool hydraulic and engine oils, which makes fuel warmer.

 

Never had a problem with cold fuel in Alaska and I was stationed there for 6 years. Contamination is always a problem, but working in aircraft fuel systems for over 15 years....I have seen a lot of stuff. No fuel system is completely clean. F-16's are a lot better compared to B-52's, but the sizes of them are huge.

[beaupower32]

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[Cali]

I have been on many aircraft in the middle of a hot summer day. Not exactly fun. We here at Edwards have not had a problem with fuel being hot or cold. Hey Cali, where in Louisiana are you from. I am from a little town close to Shreveport.

 

I live in Haughton, my family lives in Fresno and Sacramento. When I was at Luke, my shop chief wanted me to apply for a job working on the F-35's back in 2006-2007.