The F-35 Thread

[Le0kong]

I was expecting the narrator to say "...and prior to engaging into the mission the pilot engages the autopilot and takes a nap, while the Highly Advanced Tactical Alarm Clock will wakeup him after the mission is sucesfully completed, giving the chance for the pilot to congratulate himself"! :megalol:

 

 

The thing has windows, and a unified cursor for all the windows! Recreating these avionics for a home sim will take forever.

Yeah, weird that the pilot needs to take over to pickle the bombs, but can launch the A2A missiles just fine without going off AP.

 

 

I have multiple windows and screens in my home computer and I have a single integrated mouse interacting with all them. I also have touch screens. So I have the same interface as the F35. What would be so difficult about a sim pit?

 

 

I didn't mean building a sim pit, but developing a simulator "DCS style", imagine ED having to rewrite what is in a way a entire operational system.

 

Building a sim pit in your home will be easier without all the switchs and knobs from older planes, except for the helmet, we will need one of these "TV glasses" and integrate witch TrackIR.

 

Imagine the joy of looking at your own ass and seeing the ground 15.000 feet bellow. :D

[tflash]

When Dassault decided to replace its highly succesful Mirage series by the Rafale, a twin engined aircraft (due to carrier operation requirements) that is far more expensive to operate and costs considerably more, it essentially *completely lost* its export market.

 

I have the impression the same issue lurks for the F-35. At its current cost, no way will the USAF be replacing its 4th gen fighters on a one-to-one basis with F-35. The ultimate numbers will be FAR lower than projected.

 

As to the so called partner nations, it is highly doubtful they will be able to buy a sizeable fleet, if at all.

 

This makes me wonder - but this is a topic for another thread - if LM would not be wise to propose a nextgen F-16 for the export market, like the proposed F-16IN.

 

If not, I foresee a very bright future for Gripen, the only true F-16 replacement in the market today.

[EtherealN]

tflash, as far as I know they've never intended to replace the existing planes with F-35's on a one-to-one basis. That never was the idea, and the whole point of having a multirole system is that you need less total planes, sort of like this:

 

Requirements:

500 CAS

500 Interdiction

500 Light Strike/Fighter

 

Old requirement type: 1500 total

One system for all roles (like F-35, Gripen and so on): 500 total

 

And why woldn't the partner nations be able to buy "at all"? The gambit is very very smartly laid up, since they'll already have sunk money into the project and their politicians will lose prestige if they suddenly don't buy any. And since that is 10 nations we are talking about, if they purchase an average of 24 airframes (which for most would be WAY less than what they are replacing) the system will still have exported about as many airframes as there has been Gripen airframes constructed, total. And obviously, several of them have the means and intention to obtain more than just a measly 24 airframes. (Even though some, like the brits, may decide to go for a different type than originally intended, such as ditching the VTOL in favor of the much cheaper C model.)

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Country has been through depression before. This one will not implode us either.

Assuming that you have a job, did you know that you owe $124 615 in national debt? You and me work for first few months of every year to pay for the interest alone.

 

This economical situation will not implode the country IF we take appropriate steps to prevent implosion. One of those steps is drastic cuts in military spending. In my view F-35 program must be cat at list in half.

[Shaman]

Gone are the times of unlimited supply of money.

 

Hehe, yeah. There is. FED will be creating money out-of-nothing until there's no paper left :megalol:

Let's say otherwise - there's no unlimited supply of resources for military. In case of war all these old planes in conservation on deserts will be brought back into operation no matter how old-school they are. Let there be no such case.

[59th_LeFty]

382 billion $, hell of a money.... Imagine it, you could buy 6x10^23 Reapers from that money. Stop that:D

[RIPTIDE]

BTW, which socialist country are you talking about pose a threat to take USA over?

Canada. With their Red Army. Damn Socialists.

 

[power5]

I pay taxes. That is my contribution to the payment of the national debt. I vote for presidents that are not looking to give away money to people who do not work. Not my fault that the president lumped on another few trillion dollars in debt, I didnt vote for him. I do think we should charge for protection though. If Iraq and Afghanistan do not want to pay for our help, they must not really need it. The F35 should cut military spending when complete. Instead of needing parts and crew for at least 4 different aircraft, you only need 1 airframe. That would obviously decrease costs.

[104th_Crunch]

Canada. With their Red Army. Damn Socialists.

 

 

That is not our army, those are our law enforcement RCMP.

 

We don't need any F-35s. According to this movie we can fight a war against the US and give them a run :)

Canadian Bacon Movie

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109370/

[mvsgas]

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[mvsgas]

Brakes on

[mikoyan]

Brakes on

 

are those ventral fins? oh never mind those are the flaps

[tflash]

I had to look carefully myself, but indeed it are the flaps.

 

Interesting article in Aviationweek about the F-35 competition:

 

http://bit.ly/eiOqju

[hassata]

http://www.aircraftowner.com/videos/view/f-35b---taking-stovl-to-a-new-level_1126.html

 

nice vid

[mvsgas]

F-35A AF-3 takes off on its seventh flight on 2 December 2010 with Lockheed Martin test pilot

Bill Gigliotti at the controls. The aircraft is the first fully low-observable compliant F-35.

[mvsgas]

Lockheed Martin test pilot Bill Gigliotti takes off in afterburner on 11 December 2010 in F-35A

AF-3. The aircraft, the first fully low-observable compliant F-35, landed at Edwards AFB,

California, a few hours later. AF-3 joins AF-1 and AF-2 at the Joint Strike Fighter Integrated

Test Force at Edward

[diveplane]

F-35 Simulator - AA and AG Modes / Avionics

 

 

what if those display units fail?, cant see steam backup gauges?

[Griffin]

what if those display units fail?, cant see steam backup gauges?

[GGTharos]

The idea is that these replace the steam gauges by being as reliable.

 

what if those display units fail?, cant see steam backup gauges?

[EtherealN]

Yes, remember that steam gauges are not "failsafe". There are tonnes of things that can make them die or just show erroneous information, and you should generally train to be capable of flying and landing the plane even with no systems at all as long as you have VMC.

[Pilotasso]

Lockheed Martin test pilot Bill Gigliotti takes off in afterburner on 11 December 2010 in F-35A

AF-3. The aircraft, the first fully low-observable compliant F-35, landed at Edwards AFB,

California, a few hours later. AF-3 joins AF-1 and AF-2 at the Joint Strike Fighter Integrated

Test Force at Edward

 

This photo puts things in perspective, quite literaly. :eek:

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

what if those display units fail?, cant see steam backup gauges?

I am sure there are multiple backups. Probably not in the form of steam gauges.

[LordWolf]

I am sure there are multiple backups. Probably not in the form of steam gauges.

I think that if the pilot has a compas and a map he should do ok :P

[diveplane]

this is a nice vid, dont know if its already been posted.

 

imo the aircraft is not bad looking at all.

[Vekkinho]

this is a nice vid, dont know if its already been posted.

 

imo the aircraft is not bad looking at all.

 

 

In fact it looks better than some 4th gen fighters!