StandingCow Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 I created this over on reddit and wanted to see what people here thought: Just this weekend we were doing carrier traps and I noticed our flight lead didn't use afterburner when catching the wire, I joked with him that it was a cut pass, he said you don't use AB when trapping.... a few of us were rathen taken aback and were SURE that we were supposed to and in fact remembered Jello telling the story of his cut pass and how he didn't use AB. Even my twitch chat had a few people saying AB should be used. Turns out we were totally wrong, I looked up videos of all sorts of carrier traps and AB was not engaged on trapping, in fact I think the Jello story was that he DID engage AB and that is why he got his cut pass. We looked up chuck's guide as well as official documentation and... other than extreme cases... no AB is to be used. https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/uhx6o9/what_were_you_the_most_confidently_wrong_about_in/ Lex has a carrier trap video where he also says full mil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5GIW7ZVma0&t=759 So, anyone have a concrete answer on this? 1 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tholozor Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 2 hours ago, StandingCow said: Lex has a carrier trap video where he also says full mil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5GIW7ZVma0&t=759 MIL is full throttle without AB (military-rated thrust, or MRT as Lex says), MAX is full AB (maximum power). REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandingCow Posted May 5, 2022 Author Share Posted May 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, Tholozor said: MIL is full throttle without AB (military-rated thrust, or MRT as Lex says), MAX is full AB (maximum power). Yep, agreed. Some folks found a few videos where ABs appear to light up on carrier traps, but many think that's just the force of the trap putting them into AB by mistake. 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandingCow Posted May 5, 2022 Author Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) Someone emailed Jello from the FPP on this as well: “Military power. If you happen to go into afterburner, so be it, but afterburner is not required.” Edited May 5, 2022 by StandingCow 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 1 hour ago, StandingCow said: Someone emailed Jello from the FPP on this as well: “Military power. If you happen to go into afterburner, so be it, but afterburner is not required.” This was my understanding too, MRT is required, MAX isn't prohibited. For legacies that is. iirc on Rhino, MAX is prohibited, but not so sure. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokeraccio Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 7 hours ago, StandingCow said: I created this over on reddit and wanted to see what people here thought: Just this weekend we were doing carrier traps and I noticed our flight lead didn't use afterburner when catching the wire, I joked with him that it was a cut pass, he said you don't use AB when trapping.... a few of us were rathen taken aback and were SURE that we were supposed to and in fact remembered Jello telling the story of his cut pass and how he didn't use AB. Even my twitch chat had a few people saying AB should be used. Turns out we were totally wrong, I looked up videos of all sorts of carrier traps and AB was not engaged on trapping, in fact I think the Jello story was that he DID engage AB and that is why he got his cut pass. We looked up chuck's guide as well as official documentation and... other than extreme cases... no AB is to be used. https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/uhx6o9/what_were_you_the_most_confidently_wrong_about_in/ Lex has a carrier trap video where he also says full mil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5GIW7ZVma0&t=759 So, anyone have a concrete answer on this? Normal Procedures states MIL (military thrust) power application. So it is reasonable to think that it is certified to be like that. I believe the use of MAX is not forbidden, but it is not advisable do to controllability issues in case of engine flame out, as it implies high asymmetric thrust management on a critical AOA/speed situation, seems that benefits are less than troubles. Pokeraccio Forum: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Spitfire LF Mk.IX QRH / Checklist / Pilot's Note Kneeboard by Pokeraccio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandingCow Posted May 5, 2022 Author Share Posted May 5, 2022 Just now, pokeraccio said: Normal Procedures states MIL (military thrust) power application. So it is reasonable to think that it is certified to be like that. I believe the use of MAX is not forbidden, but it is not advisable do to controllability issues in case of engine flame out, as it implies high asymmetric thrust management on a critical AOA/speed situation, seems that benefits are less than troubles. Yea, even worse on planes like the Tomcat. 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokeraccio Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 4 hours ago, StandingCow said: Yep, agreed. Some folks found a few videos where ABs appear to light up on carrier traps, but many think that's just the force of the trap putting them into AB by mistake. I think the MAX power application about all the videos we have access to, are due to this. Pokeraccio Forum: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Spitfire LF Mk.IX QRH / Checklist / Pilot's Note Kneeboard by Pokeraccio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 I wonder if this was part of the reason why on the Tomcat, you need to shift the throttles sideways to go into AB, not just apply extra force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AG-51_Sabot Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 If you're coming in at your Trap weight, the need to go to full AB is pointless and waste fuel that you may need for a 2nd Bolter "There is an art … to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy https://www.cag-51.org/contact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokeraccio Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 On 5/5/2022 at 12:46 PM, Dragon1-1 said: I wonder if this was part of the reason why on the Tomcat, you need to shift the throttles sideways to go into AB, not just apply extra force. this make sense. Pokeraccio Forum: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Pokeraccio F/A-18C Hornet - Weapons QRH Quick Reference Handbook / Checklist / Kneeboard User Files: Spitfire LF Mk.IX QRH / Checklist / Pilot's Note Kneeboard by Pokeraccio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor18 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 I guess not just naval aircraft, but on every aircraft with a reheat, you have some kind of a physical boundary on the throttle you have to to overcome to switch to AB. Moving sideway, or some kind of detent or finger lift, to know, when you switch AB even if you are outside of the cockpit, in a dogfight for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphelion079 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 3 hours ago, starmoondz22 said: If Star Citizen runs fine without the overclock then I would suggest removing the overclock completely for now and start with just increasing the core clock until it becomes unstable and then dropping it back down 10 or so MHz. Once stable, repeat with memory but I do know that Star Citizen can be fussy with GPU memory overclocks. Brother I think you're on the wrong forum? lol 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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