fixed Cargo bay door can be shut in the gunner's face

[phrozen]

1. What happened that resulted in the issue? Equip the gunner, close the bay door
2. What were you doing that caused, or seemed to cause the issue? I equipped the gunner.
3. Could you reproduce it? Yes
4. What module where are you using, and does it happen with others? The hind.
5. A screenshot: See attached

[Dr Zaius]

I actually like it that you can open both doors still, think we just need a stowing animation.

Edited July 27, 2022 by Dr Zaius

[AeriaGloria]

5 hours ago, Dr Zaius said:

I actually like it that you can open both doors still, think we just need a stowing animation.

 

Doesn’t seem like there’s any physical way to “stow” it, the tripod and gun sticks out too much 

[randomTOTEN]

Looks like the gun is mounted on a swivel mount, so I suspect it can be rotated to stow the barrel.

I suspect the functionality is correct, what we're missing is POV and external stowage animations.

[AeriaGloria]

17 hours ago, randomTOTEN said:

Looks like the gun is mounted on a swivel mount, so I suspect it can be rotated to stow the barrel.

I suspect the functionality is correct, what we're missing is POV and external stowage animations.

The gun is too long for the door. The gun is 1,625-1,980 mm long. The door itself is 1.15 meters wide and the gun is placed in the middle. In addition the tripod sits on top of the bottom door, preventing the top door from closing.

 

Its not going to close with the door there unless you take the entire gun and tripod off. In the above screenshot you can even see the bottom of the swivel mount attachment to the gun clipping. Entirely through the door. 

Edited July 29, 2022 by AeriaGloria

[randomTOTEN]

@AeriaGloria

Edited July 29, 2022 by randomTOTEN

[AeriaGloria]

2 hours ago, randomTOTEN said:

@AeriaGloria

 

Perhaps with a wrench to un-do the bolt you can indeed rotate it to be farther towards the center. But I don’t see how that is going to move the gun far enough back to get the 1.07 m barrel through the 1.15 m door opening. 
 

the cargo cabin itself is 1.46 m wide, and the gun is Atleast 1.6 m long. So maybe if you take the gun off the mount, and if that’s what the latch does. In which case the gunner would need to remove the gun from the mount, rotate the mount by loosening the nut with a bolt, then close the door. 

[randomTOTEN]

50 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said:

Perhaps with a wrench to un-do the bolt you can indeed rotate it to be farther towards the center.

I don't think that's how it works. I think the bolt you see on top secures a bearing. "to be farther towards the center" I think it's 90°+.

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But I don’t see how that is going to move the gun far enough back to get the 1.07 m barrel through the 1.15 m door opening.

Am I understanding that you think this is impossible because the barrel is 8mm longer than the door? With a double articulated gun mount?

I think in it's stowage position, the gun barrel either points directly forward (in relation to aircraft travel) or directly backwards. Parallel with the windows. This would leave plenty of room for it (and the crew member).

It's probably easier to face forward, so that the barrel doesn't have to sweep the entire cabin during the process.

Edited July 29, 2022 by randomTOTEN

[AeriaGloria]

3 hours ago, randomTOTEN said:

I don't think that's how it works. I think the bolt you see on top secures a bearing. "to be farther towards the center" I think it's 90°+.

Am I understanding that you think this is impossible because the barrel is 8mm longer than the door? With a double articulated gun mount?

I think in it's stowage position, the gun barrel either points directly forward (in relation to aircraft travel) or directly backwards. Parallel with the windows. This would leave plenty of room for it (and the crew member).

It's probably easier to face forward, so that the barrel doesn't have to sweep the entire cabin during the process.

 

Well yeah, how are you going to fit that gun barrel through the door whithout completely talking it off the mount, or removing the mount itself? I don’t see any way the swivel mount can stay attached to the helicopter and the gun and provide enough space for the gun to slide into the cargo cabin with such a long barrel, unless the gun and/or mount is completely removed and carried by the gunner. 
 

It’s mounted in the middle. There is only about .5m distance on either side, and no way it can allow the gun to slide 1 m back to allow the barrel to get completely inside the cabin, or more then .5 m back to allow the barrel to swivel horizontally through the door opening? 
 

  I don’t see any practical reason either, unlike certain Huey variants; the Mi-24 was not designed with this in mind, and only used in highly specific scenarios. 
 

But hey, maybe you see something I don’t

Edited July 29, 2022 by AeriaGloria

[Quati]

At first I though "no way you can stow this gun, but now I think it may be possible.

If it's possible to unlock the "clamp" (red arrow) and swivel (blue arrow) .

And the gun would be stowed parallel and close to the fuselage in the cargo bay!!!

https://rg.ru/2019/06/25/reg-ufo/vertolet-mi-35m-poluchit-bortovoj-pulemet-kord-i-rakety-s-13.html

 

Anyways I think we should move this conversation to a new post.

Edited July 29, 2022 by Quati

[randomTOTEN]

Oh wow, now that you posted it, that is absolutely a latch (your red arrow). I don't see the reason for making a new thread, we've possibly found the answer as to why "cargo bay door can be shut in the gunners face"

[phrozen]

On 7/29/2022 at 11:52 AM, randomTOTEN said:

Oh wow, now that you posted it, that is absolutely a latch (your red arrow). I don't see the reason for making a new thread, we've possibly found the answer as to why "cargo bay door can be shut in the gunners face"

Would the answer solution, then be, to implement the ability to close the cargo door on whichever side the gunner is applied too? 

Edited September 5, 2022 by phrozen

[randomTOTEN]

59 minutes ago, phrozen said:

Would the answer solution, then be, to implement the ability to close the cargo door on whichever side the gunner is applied too? 

No. That was the initial bug. It appears to have been fixed (I can't force the side door to close with a gunner attached.)

[phrozen]

On 9/5/2022 at 11:25 AM, randomTOTEN said:

No. That was the initial bug. It appears to have been fixed (I can't force the side door to close with a gunner attached.)

Hmm ... Doesn't look like it's been fixed to me, I just tested. Not sure if you bound the cargo door, possibly closed the wrong one? see my screenshot. You need to arm the gunner, then attempt to close the cargo door FWIW.

So, the initial bug I reported is very much still there.

[randomTOTEN]

1 hour ago, phrozen said:

You need to arm the gunner, then attempt to close the cargo door FWIW.

Thanks, in my test the mission started with the gunner already equipped.

Edited September 15, 2022 by randomTOTEN

[YoYo]

Hi, I havent flew Mi-24 since June, so does the gunner was released finally? I checked it in my mission but I didnt notice option for this. Where is it?

[Flappie]

3 hours ago, YoYo said:

Hi, I havent flew Mi-24 since June, so does the gunner was released finally? I checked it in my mission but I didnt notice option for this. Where is it?

Here:

On 9/15/2022 at 3:17 PM, phrozen said:

So, the initial bug I reported is very much still there.

The fix will be in the next OB patch.

[YoYo]

2 hours ago, Flappie said:

Here:

The fix will be in the next OB patch.

Ah thx, will check! Maybe I must create a new mission, I didnt notice it.

[Flappie]

Issue fixed in latest OB.

[bingbean]

In changelog is:

Fixed: Kord gun is not moving inside when rear cargo bay doors are closed

which is quite different than the cargo bay doors being unable to close when the Kord gun is attached.

Edited October 5, 2022 by bingbean

[Flappie]

And?

[bingbean]

Not big deal, but it would be more cool, if actually the kord gun can be hidden inside when door is closed.

[jonsky7]

On 9/22/2022 at 12:05 AM, Flappie said:

Issue fixed in latest OB.

Not fixed, not for me at least

The door doesn't open automatically when loading in a gunner using the in game re-arming menu.



 

door gunner.trk

[Flappie]

Reported here: