Add mission editor option "disable hide-stick option for VR users"

[D4n]

Please add such an option so that us hardcore VR pilots can be forced into more realism in aircraft-cockpits on realistic PvP scenario servers. Hiding stick ruins immersion for VR users, and us VR users then can be even prouder when we shoot down TrackIR/no-head-control-at-all pilots.

Edited July 25, 2022 by D4n

[=475FG= Dawger]

29 minutes ago, D4n said:

Please add such an option so that us hardcore VR pilots can be forced into more realism in aircraft-cockpits on realistic PvP scenario servers. Hiding stick ruins immersion for VR users, and us VR users then can be even prouder when we shoot down TrackIR/no-head-control-at-all pilots.

 

You do know hiding or not hiding the stick is a choice you can make? If you don't want it hidden, don't hide it.

[D4n]

On 7/25/2022 at 10:55 PM, =475FG= Dawger said:

You do know hiding or not hiding the stick is a choice you can make? If you don't want it hidden, don't hide it.

Of course I know. But on hardcore servers it's best when you know that your VR-opponent didn't hide his stick to have some system advantage over you when you yourself didn't hide the stick.

[SharpeXB]

13 minutes ago, D4n said:

Of course I know. But on hardcore servers it's best when you know that your VR-opponent didn't hide his stick to have some system advantage over you when you yourself didn't hide the stick.

In reality you can feel the switches under or behind the controls, you don’t need to see them and click on them. With TrackIR you can use the response curve to magnify your movements and look under the throttle for example. I don’t imagine that’s possible in VR. That’s why the functionality is there. 
How great an advantage do you imagine anyone gets from this? Like it matters… 

Edited July 26, 2022 by SharpeXB

[sirrah]

6 hours ago, D4n said:

Of course I know. But on hardcore servers it's best when you know that your VR-opponent didn't hide his stick to have some system advantage over you when you yourself didn't hide the stick.

Thought I heard them all, but VR players cheating because they hide their stick?? Seriously?? 

 

Although I'm not against the OP wish, if a forced "no hidden stick" option makes you happy, sure, why not.. But people really should let go this urge for so called "hardcore MP balance".. DCS isn't some first person shooter like CS:GO, you'll never have balance. There are just too many factors (user hardware differences being number one)

[Bailey]

Before the convo gets too derailed, I do not support anti-hide of the stick to, what the initial request says, be “even prouder”. 

With that said, if there were a more agreeable reason for this “feature”, I believe it would be for the individual module devs to implement. 

To address the original post rebuttal, I also do not think it is a worthwhile endeavor to enable such a feature so that you can feel like the other person didn’t have an advantage over you because you didn’t hide the stick because you wanted to be more immersed in VR. It seems you are requesting a feature to satisfy/increase your level of fun at the cost of others on a matter that does not seem deserving or significant to me. 

[draconus]

@D4n Any particular module in mind you have? I can only guess you mean this one:

While looking around the HSD/TID can be some inconvenience it's how it was IRL. Removing the stick saves you from moving the head around it. Those who don't have any 6DOF head tracking would suffer but they're not likely the ones who kill you in MP. Advantage I would not call it though. The question I have is how such features get into the sims in the first place. Same with no pilot body.

[D4n]

12 hours ago, Bailey said:

 LI do not support anti-hide of the stick to, what the initial request says, be “even prouder”. 

That was one of the least important reasons actually... xD

 

12 hours ago, Bailey said:

It seems you are requesting a feature to satisfy/increase your level of fun at the cost of others on a matter that does not seem deserving or significant to me. 

Cost of others?? Hell no! Every hardcore DCS player is happy about anything that adds more realism and immersion!