[ATTN ALL DEVS] F-105D, F & G "THUD" THUNDERCHIEF ENGINEERING & PERFORMANCE DATA DUMP (upd. 2025MAY26)

[SOLIDKREATE]

:BUMP FOR FREEDOM:

[upyr1]

Thud

[Tengah]

Dave B Waldrop - F-105 Interview.

 

In my opinion, the fact that this aircraft has not been the subject of an official DCS Module is nothing short of criminal. 

[upyr1]

thud

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I'd be happy with an FC3 2024 version at this point. I know that is probably not any easier to make, LOL.

[upyr1]

55 minutes ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

I'd be happy with an FC3 2024 version at this point. I know that is probably not any easier to make, LOL.

I'd like to start with a mod, my question is what is know about the flight data

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11 hours ago, upyr1 said:

I'd like to start with a mod, my question is what is know about the flight data

 

Probably a lot more than we do about the F-35A that is coming. So, if were doing that, we definitley can have a THUD.

Edited March 24 by SOLIDKREATE

[Tengah]

8 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

Probably a lot more than we do about the F-35A that is coming. So, if were doing that, we definitley can have a THUD.

Well said, absolutely spot on.

[upyr1]

Thud. The thud would be awesome for the cold war Germany map. They were retired in the early 1980s 

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5 hours ago, upyr1 said:

Thud. The thud would be awesome for the cold war Germany map. They were retired in the early 1980s 

 

 

80's Thud here without the SEAC tan. This one is just Ghost Grey/OD. It would look good with fictional German markings.

 

Edited April 12 by SOLIDKREATE

[upyr1]

6 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

 

 

80's Thud here without the SEAC tan. This one is just Ghost Grey/OD. It would look good with fictional German markings.

 

1982 This would be awesome. Flying low and fast over the fulda gap while the F-4s provide air superiority 

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2 hours ago, upyr1 said:

1982 This would be awesome. Flying low and fast over the fulda gap while the F-4s provide air superiority 

Yeah that would be sick. Imagine that with the new PFM MiG-29A they are making. Since we are probabaly never getting a MiG-23, The Su-25A or T would have to fill the ground pounder role. Or maybe the Su-27?

[draconus]

On 4/13/2025 at 7:54 AM, SOLIDKREATE said:

Imagine that with the new PFM MiG-29A they are making.

You meant FF? Our FC MiG-29 already has PFM which will be used for FF version.

Edited April 15 by draconus

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21 hours ago, draconus said:

You meant FF? Our FC MiG-29 already has PFM which will be used for FF version.

 

Yeah, the way it's explained on the module page is confusing. But yeah that is it. Im just not happy with the range of the 29.

[draconus]

31 minutes ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

Im just not happy with the range of the 29.

Pilots weren't happy about it IRL either. Take the drop tanks or play the appropriate mission.

[upyr1]

Back to the thud I'm wondering if anyone has a tour of the rear cockpit

 

 

[upyr1]

thud

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[upyr1]

I was wondering if you had any diagrams for the EWO station in an EF-105F or G? I believe the EF designation was proposed though I'm not sure if it was used unofficially. Anyway it makes a good way to distinguish between the Weasles and other Fs 

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6 hours ago, upyr1 said:

I was wondering if you had any diagrams for the EWO station in an EF-105F or G? I believe the EF designation was proposed though I'm not sure if it was used unofficially. Anyway it makes a good way to distinguish between the Weasles and other Fs 

 

I do

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

 

I do

Thanks I would like to see what we can figure out by looking at them. 

[TacticalOni]

I have some photos of the back seat of the F-105G 63-8336 at the American Heritage Museum (Formerly of the Flying Heritage Collection) 
The intent was to figure out how to maybe wedge the AGM-78B panel into the back of the HB F-4E, as a possibility of how the IDF might have allowed for the AGM-78 to be fitted to a Kurnass before they got Weasel F-4s sent to them. 

Here's a link to the album on imgur (to keep the photos from clogging this thread up needlessly) 
 I will add my notes here though because they will be mildly interesting to the reader. 
Picture 1:
closeup of the AGM-78 button control panel. "ACQ" (top left) and "HEAD" (upper mid right) appear to be amber lights. The remainder appear to be backlit in green, or have green shades.
Also this is a good shot of the thumbwheel controls that let you manually input PRF and Freq, there's a better shot further down. 
Picture 2: 
This is the side wall on the EWO's right hand side. If Occam's Razor is true, then this would show the EWO what the AGM-78's seeker head is pointing at, and he can correlate this via the RWR to the intended threat.
Picture 3:
Just an interesting shot of a blanked off gauge, with hand-drawn notes by a former EWO. 
Picture 4:
A lot of panels and instruments have been pulled from the jet, judging by what's known to be missing, probably related to the AN/ALR-31 ECM system. This was either stripped to be fit into some other aircraft that was still using the system, or pulled so that curious museum personnel (like myself) couldn't share something secret.
Picture 5: 
The ECM control switch, like found on the F-4E.
Picture 6:
The missing AN/ALR-31 ECM panel, and more of the AGM-78 control panel, including the target alt knob. 
Picture 7:
 A fuller picture of the AGM-78 panel including a manual target azimuth knob. Probably for manual guidance override, this has a soft center that fixes it at the 0 position and requires some force to get out out of that position.
Picture 8:
The elusive double shrike pylon (From Thunderchief by Dennis Jenkins, ISBN 978-1-58007-259-5)
Picture 9 and 10:
From Thunderchief by Dennis Jenkins, a pair of pictures of the EWO's panel, including the missing ALR-31 panel and the center indicator panel which was so blanked off in the museum jet that I didn't even bother getting a picture of it. I think the only thing left was the Band switch. 

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, TacticalOni said:

I have some photos of the back seat of the F-105G 63-8336 at the American Heritage Museum (Formerly of the Flying Heritage Collection) 
The intent was to figure out how to maybe wedge the AGM-78B panel into the back of the HB F-4E, as a possibility of how the IDF might have allowed for the AGM-78 to be fitted to a Kurnass before they got Weasel F-4s sent to them. 

Here's a link to the album on imgur (to keep the photos from clogging this thread up needlessly) 
 I will add my notes here though because they will be mildly interesting to the reader. 
Picture 1:
closeup of the AGM-78 button control panel. "ACQ" (top left) and "HEAD" (upper mid right) appear to be amber lights. The remainder appear to be backlit in green, or have green shades.
Also this is a good shot of the thumbwheel controls that let you manually input PRF and Freq, there's a better shot further down. 
Picture 2: 
This is the side wall on the EWO's right hand side. If Occam's Razor is true, then this would show the EWO what the AGM-78's seeker head is pointing at, and he can correlate this via the RWR to the intended threat.
Picture 3:
Just an interesting shot of a blanked off gauge, with hand-drawn notes by a former EWO. 
Picture 4:
A lot of panels and instruments have been pulled from the jet, judging by what's known to be missing, probably related to the AN/ALR-31 ECM system. This was either stripped to be fit into some other aircraft that was still using the system, or pulled so that curious museum personnel (like myself) couldn't share something secret.
Picture 5: 
The ECM control switch, like found on the F-4E.
Picture 6:
The missing AN/ALR-31 ECM panel, and more of the AGM-78 control panel, including the target alt knob. 
Picture 7:
 A fuller picture of the AGM-78 panel including a manual target azimuth knob. Probably for manual guidance override, this has a soft center that fixes it at the 0 position and requires some force to get out out of that position.
Picture 8:
The elusive double shrike pylon (From Thunderchief by Dennis Jenkins, ISBN 978-1-58007-259-5)
Picture 9 and 10:
From Thunderchief by Dennis Jenkins, a pair of pictures of the EWO's panel, including the missing ALR-31 panel and the center indicator panel which was so blanked off in the museum jet that I didn't even bother getting a picture of it. I think the only thing left was the Band switch. 

Thanks. I just found some open-source EW material https://www.radartutorial.eu/01.basics/!rb02.en.html

I think this could be possible. If there is anything to learn from Fat Amy, it is that the switches need to be 100% right and everything else needs to be good enough. 

The PRF is determined by the radars range and is easy to calculate from there 

https://www.everythingrf.com/rf-calculators/pulse-repetition-frequency-calculator

 

which brings up a few questions  I hope to get answered 

is that to tune the missile or RWR?

Then we look here 

This pannel makes me think that was to tune the STARM going to 

 

 

 

[TacticalOni]

16 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

is that to tune the missile or RWR?
Then we look here
This pannel makes me think that was to tune the STARM going to

Yeah, I'd believe the spur wheels are to tune the STARM to a specific signal, maybe its only a manual control thing to override the missile's desire to go kill something else

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The impossible thing is to gather the sounds of all the bleep, the creeps and the sweeps