Black Shark and Windows 7 Beta Test.

[zaGURUinzaSKY]

but I don't know what else it does for you

 

Just read above, read my post for example.

[Mugatu]

Na its just that if you set the affinity in Xp or vista i get the same frames as Windows 7.

[zaGURUinzaSKY]

you mean the CPU 1 + 2 intead of single CPU?

[Mugatu]

yepo

[zaGURUinzaSKY]

oh ok, probably it's that. My bro (Microsoft developer) told me that there are many other features that increase the fps but I don't know anything about coding and stuff so I just take his informations as good...

[zaelu]

Mugatu, when you activate manually the affinity for 2 CPUs you should see a sensible increase in FPS under Win7. I installed first time on XP and got arround 25 and in Win7 with same settings I got to same number... till I activate affinity for both CPUs which in XP made no difference what so ever. Trust me, when you go from 20-25FPS to above 35 you feel it. Also outside the pit nou I have 50-60 FPS but, in external view this engine always produced more FPS.

 

Oh... and I am not a fan of Microshaft... I dislike Vista :D .

[zaGURUinzaSKY]

did you guys know that MS makes nvidia drivers?

[Pilotasso]

Has ED made any announcement on what could explain the 2 cores increasing the perfomance?

[Slayer]

Has ED made any announcement on what could explain the 2 cores increasing the perfomance?

 

Nothing official but most people believe it due to the DirectX in Vista. It should increase even more so in Windows7 since it's DirectX11 (Not sure if it's in the beta everyone is using)

[PE_Tigar]

ha ha... I have a Acer AL2216WSD connected through digital connector and is staying at 59Hz also... and I have a feeling that this 1Hz has something to do with the flickering too :D.

 

Found the explanation - it has something to do with OpenGL support in Win 7. For nVidia users there's a cure, search for OpenGL 3.0 beta drivers from nVidia, that should do the trick for you. Nothing like that exists for ATi :(.

 

One Hz difference doesn't do a thing, I managed to force 60Hz through the Catalyst Control Center, didn't help. The OpenGL thing is in known issues of the ATi Win7 beta driver, should've read the notes earlier...

Edited January 23, 2009 by PE_Tigar

[TX-EcoDragon]

Well I just ran the benchmarks using Fraps and Windows XP SP3 and Windows 7 pretty much zero difference as expected (from Takeoff to Wheels Down on the Air Defenses or something like that demo).

 

Think there's some over hyping going on here. It does look nicer than xp and feels snappy, but I don't know what else it does for you.

 

If you are seeing the same fps in XP and Vista/Win7 with multiple cores enable, then something isn't right. I'd guess that you aren't enabling both cores late enough. If you go to the taskmanager while the mission is still loading, even though you will see DCS in the taskmanager, and can enable both cores, it will revert to one core when the mission actually loads.

 

There is a very tangible gain in vista/win7 with both cores enabled. . .in XP it makes nearly no difference at all if you have one core or multiples enabled.

[slug88]

If you are seeing the same fps in XP and Vista/Win7 with multiple cores enable, then something isn't right. I'd guess that you aren't enabling both cores late enough. If you go to the taskmanager while the mission is still loading, even though you will see DCS in the taskmanager, and can enable both cores, it will revert to one core when the mission actually loads.

 

There is a very tangible gain in vista/win7 with both cores enabled. . .in XP it makes nearly no difference at all if you have one core or multiples enabled.

 

Agreed. I noticed a ~10fps difference going from XP to W7 with the multicore trick. I was skeptical at first too, but this isn't hype.

[BBL]

It works like charm for me under w7!!! average 50 fps!!! Resolution set to 1650x1050, texture high, scene medium, blur ON, civ traffic ON, water normal, distance: low.

My spec: Intel core2duo 2.66 ovrerclocked to 3ghz

mem: 4gb

gfx: XFX alpha dog 8800 gt 1024mb

 

BTW, did anyone found solution for GUI flickering?

[Fakum]

I basically doubled my frame rates a couple months ago when I created a dual boot config between XPPro 32 & Vista Ultimate 64, using the multicore Affinity script. I am trying to figure out if I should jump to the Win7 Beta for even better performance. Ive been reading these threads, but Im not seeing any meat here to work off of,,, so the bottom line is,,, is it worth the trip to install Win 7 if Im already running Visat Ultimate 64 with the Affinity script? Thanks

[AlphaInfinity]

I basically doubled my frame rates a couple months ago when I created a dual boot config between XPPro 32 & Vista Ultimate 64, using the multicore Affinity script. I am trying to figure out if I should jump to the Win7 Beta for even better performance. Ive been reading these threads, but Im not seeing any meat here to work off of,,, so the bottom line is,,, is it worth the trip to install Win 7 if Im already running Visat Ultimate 64 with the Affinity script? Thanks

 

If you are running vista, the answer would be no.

[Fakum]

This is what I see when I launch and close DCS in Windows 7 Beta Build 7000

 

I am currently experiencing the same problem as “ zaGURUinzaSKY” has mention and displayed with the screen shots, basically an un usable blank white menu screen. I reinstalled the software as suggested by opening the setup .exe as an admin and running it as an admin, same results. I have no idea where to turn to at this point as I have googled this without any luck. I have the latest Nvidia drivers (181.71 Beta windows 7 64). Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

Tower = LIAN LI PC-61

Mobo = GIGABYTE GA-X38-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Ultra Durable 2(BIOS F7)

Power Supply = Thermaltake Purepower TWV 500W

CPU = Intel Core 2 Q6600 GO Stepping (Over Clocked to 3.6)

CPU Heat Sync = Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Cooler Model U-120E

CPU Heat Sync Fan = Scythe S-FLEX 120mm Case Fan, 1600 RPM Model SFF21F

CPU Heat Sync Thermal Paste = Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

Memory = Crucial Ballistix 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM 800 (PC2 6400) (4-4-4-12 @ 2.2v)

Hard Drive = Western Digital WD1600YS SATA 2 Triple Boot(Windows XP Pro 32, Vista Ultimate 64, Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Beta build 7048)

GPU = EVGA GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0

(Current Nvidia Drivers for all 3 Operating Systems)

DVD/CD Burner = Asus DVD Burner DRW-2014L1T SATA 2

Sound Card = Razer Barracuda AC-1 Gaming Sound Card

Monitor = Gateway XHD3000 30" Widescreen (2560 x 1600 resolution)

Fantom G-Force GF500EU 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache USB 2.0 / eSATA External Hard Drive

Cougar HOTAS & Rudders

TrackIR 4 Pro

[Fakum]

disregard for the moment,,,,, after all the things I have tried that are mentioned here, I stumbled accross a note to do a search for "OpenGL 3.0 beta drivers from nVidia" and found a "nvidia GPU Vista 182.47" that is working,,, looks a little grainy at the moment, but will make adj and report back

[Cap_Z]

I don't think I am ready to debug another new operating system. I think I might wait for Windows 7 SP1 before making the switch as it usually take MS that long to get an OS stable. I have two computers running Vista and after learning the ins and outs of UAC, I prefer Vista over XP.:thumbup:

 

EDIT: I may have to revise my position on Win7. I have not been paying very close attention to the new windows developments and having dug my head out of the sand :megalol: just realized that Win7 and a touch monitor and BS would be pretty cool. I need to switch from 32 to 64 bit OS anyway.

Edited March 26, 2009 by Cap_Z

[Fakum]

I will post my results tomorrow I hope, but I set up a triple boot config, all things set equally, Vista with the script running, basically doubled my frame rates over XP. Windows 7 really was bad. it was only slightly more than XP, im pretty bummed out

[Fakum]

Ok, I had some improved results today. Let me start off by saying that I originally had Win XP Pro 32 and Vista Ultimate 64 compared, and Vista’s FPS with the affinity tool blew XP away. I was anxious to make a comparison between Vista Ultimate 64 and Windows 7 Ultimate Beta 64. So what I have set up is one hard drive / 3 partions, each with their own operating system. I will say that I struggled with the Nvidia drivers in Win 7; some would not even allow me to click on the single player screen (as mentioned above). Those drivers that did work, I found that while in the menus, I would get some screen flickering. Today, I uninstalled the Nvidia driver I had installed, deleted the c:\Nvidia directory, rebooted, let Win 7 load a standard vga driver. Then I did a Microsoft update, and Microsoft offered an Nvidia driver 179.43. Now I hesitated as I had previously tried 181.71/185.20 & 182.47. I wound up letting windows install this 179.43 driver and it turned out great. No problems loading the game or with menu flickering. With that said, ultimately, Vista still came out the winner. The following are the results of my testing. Others may bear different results, and if anyone has an opinion that may improve Windows 7 performance, I would love to test it.

Conditions were:

- BlackSharkTutorial01.miz map loaded (this can be downloaded as it is not a default map)

- Track IR = Off

- Cougar HOTAS= Disconnected

- Nvidia control settings were set equally on all Operating systems.

- Game options were set equally on all Operating systems

- Game graphic settings were ALL maxed out.

- Game resolution set at 2560 x 1600

- Windows XP Pro Nvidia driver = 178.24

- Windows Vista Nvidia driver = 182.08

- Windows 7 Nvidia driver = 179.43

- Note Forcing Vsync on or off showed no FPS differences in my testing

- FPS read from cockpit view and external (F2) view at time of 300.000

FPS as follows:

Win XP: Cockpit = 16 / External = 25

Windows Vista no affinity tool: Cockpit = 21 / External = 38

Windows Vista with affinity tool: Cockpit = 32 / External = 58

Windows 7 no affinity tool: Cockpit = 21 / External = 35

Windows 7 with affinity tool: Cockpit = 31 / External = 49

System Specs:

Tower = LIAN LI PC-61

Mobo = GIGABYTE GA-X38-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Ultra Durable 2(BIOS F7)

Power Supply = Thermaltake Purepower TWV 500W

CPU = Intel Core 2 Q6600 GO Stepping (Over Clocked to 3.6)

CPU Heat Sync = Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Cooler Model U-120E

CPU Heat Sync Fan = Scythe S-FLEX 120mm Case Fan, 1600 RPM Model SFF21F

CPU Heat Sync Thermal Paste = Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

Memory = Crucial Ballistix 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM 800 (PC2 6400) (4-4-4-12 @ 2.2v)

Hard Drive = Western Digital WD1600YS SATA 2 Triple Boot(Windows XP Pro 32, Vista Ultimate 64, Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Beta build 7048)

GPU = EVGA GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0

DVD/CD Burner = Asus DVD Burner DRW-2014L1T SATA 2

Sound Card = Razer Barracuda AC-1 Gaming Sound Card

Monitor = Gateway XHD3000 30" Widescreen (2560 x 1600 resolution)

Fantom G-Force GF500EU 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache USB 2.0 / eSATA External Hard Drive

Cougar HOTAS & Rudders

TrackIR 4 Pro

[JaBoG32_Prinzartus]

This is what I see when I launch and close DCS in Windows 7 Beta Build 7000

 

Same issue here. Blank screen when starting DCS in Single player (launcher.exe), but the menu when I launch multi-player looks okay?!

 

Can't find the a fix for the problem, nor do I understand the problem's cause?!

 

Any specific fix for this already?

[4csNIp]

Same problem to me.. White page when start singleplayer. I cann't do anything.

[KilRoY66]

I use DCS in Windows 7 RTM 32bit with an ATI 4870 graphics without problems both in single and multi player. I played also with the Release Candidate version of windows 7 but not tried with one of the betas or with 64bit versions.

[Nate--IRL--]

Same problem to me.. White page when start singleplayer. I cann't do anything.

 

If you are using an ATI card, try disabling the Catalyst AI in the ATI graphic options.

 

Nate

[Fakum]

This is the Win 7 Beta test section,,, are you running the Win 7 Retail OS?