D4n Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) It already happened to me twice now on Syria within only like 10 hours of flying the module. Trackfile attached. Happened super shortly after reaching bingo fuel warning (24% warning). https://ufile.io/lmqrvjn6 Edited September 5, 2022 by D4n DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
razo+r Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 You got perhaps a shorter track or a video? Or can you at least describe the specific condition in which it happens?
D4n Posted September 5, 2022 Author Posted September 5, 2022 Very low level flight, somewhere above mach 1.1. shorter track not available sadly. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
razo+r Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 Well, I've just done a flight at 45m above ground cruising at M1.3 from 100% fuel down to 0% fuel without any exploding. If you say in a specific high speed condition, does that mean you know the details to it when it happens and you can reliably reproduce the exploding? 1
Machalot Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 I haven't experienced this in a lot of low level flying with all kinds fuel and weapons loads. Any chance you're getting hit by SAMs? 1 "Subsonic is below Mach 1, supersonic is up to Mach 5. Above Mach 5 is hypersonic. And reentry from space, well, that's like Mach a lot."
D4n Posted September 5, 2022 Author Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Machalot said: I haven't experienced this in a lot of low level flying with all kinds fuel and weapons loads. Any chance you're getting hit by SAMs? Negative, no SAM, killmessage in chat didn't say "shot by SAM" in that case, only "died" message. 1 hour ago, razo+r said: Well, I've just done a flight at 45m above ground cruising at M1.3 from 100% fuel down to 0% fuel without any exploding. If you say in a specific high speed condition, does that mean you know the details to it when it happens and you can reliably reproduce the exploding? The condition I'm guessing is that when the airframe has endured many high G maneuvers and several times accelerating through Mach 1 and down again, before it occurs Edited September 5, 2022 by D4n DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
Machalot Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 Can you record a video of it? "Subsonic is below Mach 1, supersonic is up to Mach 5. Above Mach 5 is hypersonic. And reentry from space, well, that's like Mach a lot."
razo+r Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, D4n said: The condition I'm guess is that when the airframe has endured many high G maneuvers and several times accelerating through Mach 1 and down again, before it occurs Not that I know of. But of course you can always go ahead and try to reproduce the issue. Have you perhaps heavily over-G'd your airframe when you exploded? 1
D4n Posted September 5, 2022 Author Posted September 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Machalot said: Can you record a video of it? Will do. For now, I have another video with another issue, system just randomly shut down and instant pitch down. So far only occured once. https://youtu.be/mWsneozAFqM?t=144 DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
Enigma89 Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 This is a server specific script, you exploding is not a bug with the module. 2
MYSE1234 Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Enigma89 said: This is a server specific script, you exploding is not a bug with the module. What is the max speed allowed on the server? I've had it happen once, but can't remember how fast I was actually going (I was in a hurry ). 1 Viggen is love. Viggen is life. 7800X3D | RTX 4070 Ti S | 64GB 6000MHz RAM |
Raviar Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 On 9/5/2022 at 9:48 PM, Enigma89 said: This is a server specific script, you exploding is not a bug with the module. this is funny! you wana go fast because you can, nope
D4n Posted September 8, 2022 Author Posted September 8, 2022 Couldn't find any source yet about the 1350 kph being jet-engine limit or airframe limitation. If engine limitation, then the script should be removed obviously. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
Enigma89 Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 On 9/5/2022 at 3:52 PM, MYSE1234 said: What is the max speed allowed on the server? I've had it happen once, but can't remember how fast I was actually going (I was in a hurry ). If you stay at 1,350 IAS then you will be fine. We don't give details on anything more than. The reason for that is because this was added on due to exploiters. People were taking the Viggen up to 13k and going at extreme speeds in AB3. It is a known bug that Heatblur has acknowledged. HB is very busy and this is an edge case bug that effects a small portion of the community because most people don't fly at 13k. So with that context, we decided to fence off the Viggen ourselves. 1
Machalot Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Enigma89 said: People were taking the Viggen up to 13k Consider making the Viggen self destruct of it flies above 13k. Or actually above 13m Edited September 9, 2022 by Machalot 1 "Subsonic is below Mach 1, supersonic is up to Mach 5. Above Mach 5 is hypersonic. And reentry from space, well, that's like Mach a lot."
MYSE1234 Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Machalot said: Consider making the Viggen self destruct of it flies above 13k. Or actually above 13m It kind of already does that. The AB will flame out (for some unknown reason) if you go much higher than that, which makes flying that high impossible 1 Viggen is love. Viggen is life. 7800X3D | RTX 4070 Ti S | 64GB 6000MHz RAM |
D4n Posted September 9, 2022 Author Posted September 9, 2022 7 hours ago, Enigma89 said: People were taking the Viggen up to 13k and going at extreme speeds in AB3. It is a known bug that Heatblur has acknowledged. Even in their own manual they state that the service ceiling is far above 13k, Enigma. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
MAXsenna Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, D4n said: Even in their own manual they state that the service ceiling is far above 13k, Enigma. Did he claim otherwise? They're talking about an exploit/speedbug.
Machalot Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 34 minutes ago, D4n said: Even in their own manual they state that the service ceiling is far above 13k, Enigma. Service ceiling is when the max climb rate drops below a threshold (e.g. 100 ft/min for American jets) under certain fuel and loadout assumptions. The only thing we're talking about here is that the Viggen's afterburner flames out above ~13 km. Not directly related to the service ceiling. 1 "Subsonic is below Mach 1, supersonic is up to Mach 5. Above Mach 5 is hypersonic. And reentry from space, well, that's like Mach a lot."
D4n Posted September 9, 2022 Author Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Machalot said: The only thing we're talking about here is that the Viggen's afterburner flames out above ~13 km. Not directly related to the service ceiling. Oh, it's only that Enigma claimed that it's a known bug that it shouldn't even reach over 13k and go fast. Edited September 9, 2022 by D4n DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
MYSE1234 Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) nullTo clear up that it's should be able to fly above 13km, according to this graph there you should be able to get up to 15,5km with a clean aircraft. With the aircraft loaded with 3x ARAK + KB + XT the aircraft is way more limited speed wise, and slightly less so in altitude. Especially so in "hot" weather. However in DCS currently the weapons and pods have quite low drag coefficients which make them not slow down the aircraft enough, so the performance graphs can not be trusted for accurate performance inside DCS. Edited September 9, 2022 by MYSE1234 Viggen is love. Viggen is life. 7800X3D | RTX 4070 Ti S | 64GB 6000MHz RAM |
Machalot Posted September 10, 2022 Posted September 10, 2022 3 hours ago, D4n said: Oh, it's only that Enigma claimed that it's a known bug that it shouldn't even reach over 13k and go fast. We're talking about a speed limit. It's just easier to exceed the speed limit at high altitude. 1 "Subsonic is below Mach 1, supersonic is up to Mach 5. Above Mach 5 is hypersonic. And reentry from space, well, that's like Mach a lot."
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