The price of mb-339 is too high, it is recommended to adjust ( in my opinion )

[unlikely_spider]

Whether or not I purchase a module often depends on the quality of the training content and any other single-player items. How is the included content here? How many missions in the campaign?

[nessuno0505]

I've never bought a single DCS module full price. I still do not own the f/a-18 or the viper because - IMHO - they're still too expensive even when on sale, expecially being still in early access. But I am italian, this is "our" plane, it is developed by very talented italian people, it is out of early access since its release, and so I've bought it immediately, my first full price module. For me, the price is fair but I understand it cannot be the same for others. It's always a matter of personal choices when you choose a module or another.

[Rudel_chw]

7 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

Whether or not I purchase a module often depends on the quality of the training content and any other single-player items. How is the included content here?

 

The Training seems very complete, with  16 missions. Other content includes 8 quickstart Missions and 2 full missions.

 

7 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

How many missions in the campaign?

 

It is a 6-mission Campaign, set in Caucasus, named "Operation Georgian Job"

 

In any case, I'm sure many more missions will be created by the Community shortly ... in sharp contrast with what happened with the Mirage F1, this time ED has an entry for the MB-339 at User Files since day-1    nice ED!

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/filter/unit-is-mb-339/apply/

 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Rudel_chw

[Top Jockey]

On 10/29/2022 at 7:15 PM, Rudel_chw said:

With that logic, a BMW should be priced lower in Argentina than on Germany … just wait until it’s on sale, but asking for a special price because of the country that you live is kind of absurd.

 

Not sure (if I understood well), if he was asking a special price for lower income countries, and an higher inflated price for the others.

I think he suggested a common, equal and same, slightly lower price... for eveyone.

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, Top Jockey said:

I think he suggested a common, equal and same, slightly lower price... for eveyone.

 

He didn't suggest anything, just complained that the price was too high for being "only a trainer aircraft and not a main fighter".  On a follow-on post he added "At present, dcs mb-339 module price is indeed quite expensive for countries other than high-income countries in Europe and America". 

 

My view is that the price should be based only on the development costs divided by an estimate of how many units will be sold, plus a reasonable profit for both ED and IFE ... whatever country the customer belongs, should not have anything to do at all with the price.  

[InclusiveDave]

7 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

Whether or not I purchase a module often depends on the quality of the training content and any other single-player items. How is the included content here? How many missions in the campaign?

The number of training mission is above average, and seems to cover what it needs to.  The landing and shutdown mission has a bug at the end; which I am sure will be fixed and it does not prevent landing or shutting down. 

[Beirut]

2 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

. . . whatever country the customer belongs, should not have anything to do at all with the price.  

 

That's a tough one. You've got some countries with a median income 100% to 400% lower or higher than other countries nearby. If the price of a thing is $60US across the board, it is obvious that $60US in Country A is not a big deal but in Country B it's a rather big deal indeed. Imagine the Tomcat going for $400US. Eyebrows would be raised for sure. 

 

I have no answer for this dilemma, I can only say it exists, and it can create difficulties for some of our fellow flyers who want to enjoy DCS as much as people in other countries.

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, Beirut said:

That's a tough one. You've got some countries with a median income 100% to 400% lower or higher than other countries nearby.

 

I fail to see how that should be a developer's concern, having prices vary on a per country basis is kind of discriminatory as some customers would be paying more than others.

[Tenebrae Aeternae]

6 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

I fail to see how that should be a developer's concern, having prices vary on a per country basis is kind of discriminatory as some customers would be paying more than others.

As i mentioned earlier, this really is pretty much standard in software and games sales these days.. so it´s nothing extraordinary.

Imo what´s discriminatory, is that one user has to pay average of months pay when someone else has to pay equal to 2 hours of work. This issue is widely recognized and there are measures taken to tackle this all over. It´s nothing new either, it has been done quite a few years now. I´m living in a country where it´s not lethal for me to buy a module or two, but there are a lot of honest hard working people living in countries where it´s literally a choice between "does my family eat or do i get a module i´d love to buy?".

This is propably a discussion for a whole another topic, although it´s pretty hard to see why anyone would be against it. I guess it goes under jealousy thing, what it basically it always is when talking about fairness. Surely shouldn´t be jealous of ppl living in countries where money is hard to come by and worth much less, and most of their effort goes on survival? I´d feel compassion.

[Beirut]

19 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

I fail to see how that should be a developer's concern, having prices vary on a per country basis is kind of discriminatory as some customers would be paying more than others.

 

I made no mention of it being the developer's concern.

 

I merely pointed out that the price of a module in one country might be far amore affordable than in another, and that can make DCS difficult to enjoy for some of our fellow flyers.

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, Tenebrae Aeternae said:

I guess it goes under jealousy thing

 

Nice line of argument, change one word for another .. discrimination is not the same as jealousy. Anyway, I really don't want to convince anyone, the module price is a matter set by the developers and I will respect whatever they decide on this matter.

[Tenebrae Aeternae]

5 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

Nice line of argument, change one word for another .. discrimination is not the same as jealousy. Anyway, I really don't want to convince anyone, the module price is a matter set by the developers and I will respect whatever they decide on this matter.

Sure i´ll live with that (i think it´s more in EDs hands anyway). Just saying it´s nothing extraordinary but more a standard practice in most platforms, unlike some seem to realise.

[Beirut]

Just now, Tenebrae Aeternae said:

Sure i´ll live with that (i think it´s more in EDs hands anyway). Just saying it´s nothing extraordinary but more a standard practice in most platforms, unlike some seem to realise.

 

No question he situation exists. 

 

 I would restate my point about a Windows 10 license selling for $100Cdn.+ in Canada and $10Cdn. in China. And that is entirely due to the differences in earned income in those countries.

[Dangerzone]

For me - being full price, no early access option, no sale/discounts (which I understand because it's both new and a completed module) - I would like the opportunity to try for 2 weeks before committing. I understand that this may not be there decision or it may be a ED policy not to allow trials for the first xxx months, and that's fair enough. But since that's not an option (and I'm on Stable Release so I can afford to wait anyway) - I will wait to hear reviews from those who have purchased at full price before making my decision on whether it's "too expensive" or not (for me). 

I have no doubt that it's worth the price for the developers. The amount of work that goes into making a non-mod to the level ED requires is not a low bar and I wish the devs all the best. The more success stories by 3rd party devs - the more 3rd party modules we get!  I'm just trying to evaluate whether I would appreciate it for that amount. I haven't purchased the other trainers, but I'll admit - this one has me interested., so I'm watching this space with interest. 

[MAXsenna]

 
No question he situation exists. 
 
 I would restate my point about a Windows 10 license selling for $100Cdn.+ in Canada and $10Cdn. in China. And that is entirely due to the differences in earned income in those countries.

Well, Windows might not be the best example, as you can get cheap licenses in different ways, and Microsoft wants as many Windows users they can for a lot of reasons. Also, it's better for them to sell 10 cheap instead of one "expensive". They can afford it to.
I don't really care if anyone gets it cheaper than me. Most devs are from countries that's not cheap to live in, and they deserve everything they get, so they can make more and even better modules. That's important for me!

If you have to choose between food on the table and a module, that's not their problem, and it really makes me wonder what the computer looks like.
I have a feeling Nvidia ain't that considerate.

Is for the question if it's worth it.
Absolutely, some bugs and stuff that eventually be fixed.
Haven't done all the training missions yet, so I can't compare to the C-101's absolutely fantastic ones. Love the Italian accent!

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[Beirut]

2 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Well, Windows might not be the best example, as you can get cheap licenses in different ways, and Microsoft wants as many Windows users they can for a lot of reasons. Also, it's better for them to sell 10 cheap instead of one "expensive". They can afford it to.
I don't really care if anyone gets it cheaper than me. Most devs are from countries that's not cheap to live in, and they deserve everything they get, so they can make more and even better modules. That's important for me!

 

Yeah, Windows might not be the best example, given they have $50 trillion in the bank already and harvesting our info is their real goal. I was just agreeing with Tenebrae's point that differential pricing does exist. And I won't say all of this is the developer's problem, I'm just saying it is a problem for some who want to fly. I mentioned, as an example, that a $400US Tomcat or Hornet would raise a few eyebrows. Well that is what some of our fellow flyers have to deal with given geography and reality. For some of us this plane is a few hours work, so to speak. For some it may well be a few days work. 

 

I have no solution for this and I agree the devs earner their right to charge what they charge. I'm just saying it's a shame some people face this problem.

 

 

2 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Is for the question if it's worth it.
Absolutely, some bugs and stuff that eventually be fixed.
Haven't done all the training missions yet, so I can't compare to the C-101's absolutely fantastic ones. Love the Italian accent!
 

 

I'm still on the fence. Though I have no doubt the bugs will be addressed, and I really like the devs attitude, I'm just not sure if it's "my plane". If I had a 15 minute free trial I'd know. For that I will have to wait. In the meantime I'll watch more videos about it. Which is its own kind of fun.

Edited November 2, 2022 by Beirut

[Rudel_chw]

10 minutes ago, Beirut said:

a $400US Tomcat or Hornet would raise a few eyebrows.

but I still fail to understand how a us$ 60 module is unreachable for some users, yet at the same time they can afford a PC able to run DCS?

[Otto pallen]

Comunque sembrano delle discussioni piuttosto sterili, 60 dollari sembrano troppi? Non lo compri o aspetti che vada in sconto. Mi sembra (non ho guardato bene) che sia lo stesso prezzo del C101 e dell'L39 quindi...

[clafly]

Anche se siamo nella parte internazionale, si sembra proprio si siano accanati lamentandosi sul prezzo in modo molto gratuito.. mah

O lo compri

O non lo compri 

O aspetti gli sconti. 
 

Fine.

[Beirut]

1 hour ago, Rudel_chw said:

but I still fail to understand how a us$ 60 module is unreachable for some users, yet at the same time they can afford a PC able to run DCS?

 

It's a complicated world, my friend. And how we spend money is just as complicated. 

 

Some can buy everything they want. Some can only buy some of what they want. Some, sadly, can buy none of what they want, or even need for that matter. And if someone has a PC but can't necessarily afford to fill it with the games they wish to, it's not something to begrudge them for. Also, we don't know how much work some of our fellow flyers had to do to be able to afford a decent gaming rig. I don't doubt for a moment that some/many did a job that involves good old fashioned physical labour and saved up to buy their rig or maybe bought a few pieces at a time. I did.

 

Being frugal is not being cheap. Taking note of pricing in a free market is not out of place. And facing the truth of limited funds and wondering how to spend them is not unreasonable.

[Joe1978]

hace 1 hora, Beirut dijo:

...and I really like the devs attitude, 

Precisely one of the best values added to the purchase of this module.

[Otto pallen]

So, in your opinion what is the right price of the 339? Free? And the for example the new terrain map of Australia? 5 dollars? Free? Tell me please. And sorry for my english

[Beirut]

30 minutes ago, Otto pallen said:

So, in your opinion what is the right price of the 339? Free?

 

There is no need to exaggerate to make a point. And when you do it removes the validity of your point. No one said it should be free.

 

The least inexpensive planes run around $50 to $60 Canadian and the most expensive to a bit over $100 Canadian. If the discussion of pricing is held to within those parameters, then it's fair to say it's a reasonable discussion. 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Otto pallen said:

And the for example the new terrain map of Australia? 5 dollars? Free?

 

For that one you might have a point. $5 might be just right. 

[clafly]

1 ora fa, Beirut ha scritto:

 

For that one you might have a point. $5 might be just right. 

I think you are a troll

[Beirut]

13 minutes ago, clafly said:

I think you are a troll

 

You may think as you see fit.