LowGlow Posted November 5, 2022 Posted November 5, 2022 Is there a reason why the canopy open/close buttons cannot be clicked by the pilot? Will that be implemented? 1
Despayre Posted November 5, 2022 Posted November 5, 2022 3 hours ago, LowGlow said: Is there a reason why the canopy open/close buttons cannot be clicked by the pilot? Will that be implemented? Do you mean button mapping, or the actual cockpit button? (I tested the button map to my HOTAS on the A, and it works fine). The actual button is under a rail on the right side, cannot be easily reached in game (or even seen, and also doesn't appear to be be modeled), better off to just use your binding. Also, Jester's got nothing else to do anyway. I'm not updating this anymore. It's safe to assume I have all the stuff, and the stuff for the stuff too.
Nealius Posted November 6, 2022 Posted November 6, 2022 I wish we got a clickbox for it. In VR you have to either use the keybind (annoying), rely on Jester (limited), or rely on VoiceAttack which sometimes thinks you're ordering a McDonald's set instead of telling it to open the canopy. 1
lunaticfringe Posted November 6, 2022 Posted November 6, 2022 The clickboxes were there long ago in the development builds, but were removed due to interference with the LAT, ARA-63, and Hook Bypass/Lighting switches. Reach down to activate the -63 for the ILCS at the wrong viewing angle, and *voila*- now you were a convertible. So they went away. 2
Nealius Posted November 6, 2022 Posted November 6, 2022 They couldn't be raised to be more in-line with the canopy rail and out of the way of the other hitboxes? And on that note, more separation between the hitboxes on the two TACAN channel dials would be nice.... 1
LowGlow Posted November 6, 2022 Author Posted November 6, 2022 I mean the buttons on the right side of the cockpit which cannot be clicked. I dont think it makes sense to map this to HOTAS, which I only do for functions that I use frequently. I am only playing in VR and have no problem whatsoever to just adjust my look below the canopy frame e.g. for clicking the Field/Carrier switches vs. directly looking at the Canonpy frame buttons. If somebody feels that way, maybe 2D players, then please make that at least an option. Thank you! 1
draconus Posted November 6, 2022 Posted November 6, 2022 I use a button on a stick base. Imho it doesn't make sense to click a button you cannot see. Same with master light switch on the throttle. 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Nealius Posted November 7, 2022 Posted November 7, 2022 7 hours ago, draconus said: Imho it doesn't make sense to click a button you cannot see. I have to disagree with this point. IRL pilots click switches they can't see all the time. With the Tomcat's canopy specifically I recall someone mentioning they had to wedge a pen cap or something in there to reach it more easily.
IronMike Posted November 7, 2022 Posted November 7, 2022 Unfortunately, like the above mentioned master light switch, it is a clickspot that cannot be provided in a senseful manner, and we have no plans of doing so for the time being. We may think of a different solution (like simply clicking on a handrail on the canopy frame, etc combined with a special option or similar) when we have some breathing room again, but it is certainly a very low priority item. Thank you for your kind understanding. Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
draconus Posted November 7, 2022 Posted November 7, 2022 6 hours ago, Nealius said: IRL pilots click switches they can't see all the time. They don't click anything. They reach it with hands and don't need eye-switch LOS. That's where binds come handy in DCS. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Nealius Posted November 7, 2022 Posted November 7, 2022 Oh my god how stupid of me to use "click" instead of "flick" /s End result is the same and the result is the only thing that matters.
LowGlow Posted November 7, 2022 Author Posted November 7, 2022 Maybe I am missing something here, but I literally see the canopy open/close buttons on the right side of the canopy frame, so they are not hidden, are they? And even if that's what I am seeing were not the realy canopy open/close buttons, and the actual ones are somewhere hidden beneath. So what? Why not making that clickable? I mean it also has the labels Open / Close / Hold there already. 1
Naquaii Posted November 7, 2022 Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, LowGlow said: Maybe I am missing something here, but I literally see the canopy open/close buttons on the right side of the canopy frame, so they are not hidden, are they? And even if that's what I am seeing were not the realy canopy open/close buttons, and the actual ones are somewhere hidden beneath. So what? Why not making that clickable? I mean it also has the labels Open / Close / Hold there already. They can't be the buttons as the real aircraft has no buttons. The canopy control is a lever underneath that assembly and has 5 different positions. That's one of the reasons they haven't been made clickable as seeing the actual position of the lever would be hard. That's not to say I'm against it being clickable but that's the reason it hasn't been a priority. 1
RustBelt Posted November 7, 2022 Posted November 7, 2022 For VR guys, an easy work around is to whip up a simple Arduino ProMicro button box with some un clickable features set to the buttons. Doesn’t waste HOTAS space. And muscle memory will make it easy to reach for even under vr. 2
LowGlow Posted November 14, 2022 Author Posted November 14, 2022 Disagree. Opening and closing the canopy is a base functionality. Users of a full fidelity model should not be obliged to buy additional hardware just for that. And with the necessary RIO communication in the Tomcat, you already have enough functions to be mapped to hardware buttons anyway. Most users don't have hundreds of buttons, so you map those features that you need to access quickly and often. The canopy functions are therefore a perfect fit for point and click instead.
draconus Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 2 hours ago, LowGlow said: Users of a full fidelity model should not be obliged to buy additional hardware just for that. Use keyboard then. 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
IronMike Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 Also Jester does it for you. 3 Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
LowGlow Posted November 17, 2022 Author Posted November 17, 2022 Am 14.11.2022 um 22:28 schrieb draconus: Use keyboard then. No thanks. I only use HOTAS and VR headset. That's all I needed for any DCS module ... so far.
LowGlow Posted November 18, 2022 Author Posted November 18, 2022 Am 15.11.2022 um 00:05 schrieb IronMike: Also Jester does it for you. You mean Jester closes the Canopy when I begin with the startup procedure, and opening the canopy is not supported at all, right? At least I don't find something in the Jester menu to tell him exactly to open / halt / close the canopy.
Jayhawk1971 Posted November 18, 2022 Posted November 18, 2022 vor 31 Minuten schrieb LowGlow: You mean Jester closes the Canopy when I begin with the startup procedure, and opening the canopy is not supported at all, right? At least I don't find something in the Jester menu to tell him exactly to open / halt / close the canopy. I don't know/ have forgotten if there was a "regular" (= Jester Wheel) way, but using VAICOM with AIRIO, I say "open canopy", and Jester does just that. So there definitely is a command there, somewhere. 1
IronMike Posted November 18, 2022 Posted November 18, 2022 36 minutes ago, Jayhawk1971 said: I don't know/ have forgotten if there was a "regular" (= Jester Wheel) way, but using VAICOM with AIRIO, I say "open canopy", and Jester does just that. So there definitely is a command there, somewhere. that probably uses just left ctrl + c. 2 Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
Nealius Posted November 18, 2022 Posted November 18, 2022 VAICOM bypasses keypresses. I don't know how, but it's evident when you play a replay track and find that nothing happens (no ground power, no air supply, etc.) because no keypresses were logged by the replay track system. So there most likely is a command hidden somewhere.
MAXsenna Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 On 11/19/2022 at 12:46 AM, Nealius said: VAICOM bypasses keypresses. I don't know how, but it's evident when you play a replay track and find that nothing happens (no ground power, no air supply, etc.) because no keypresses were logged by the replay track system. So there most likely is a command hidden somewhere. VAICOM does it like DCS Bios. If you can read source code, it's out there in the open. I can't.
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