MiG15 AI still completely bonkers.

[Gunfreak]

So while the new AI works on other jets, and half works on the 15, it's still bonkers. MiG15 AI has infinite energy, it can keep turning and turning, tighting up the circle way past the F86 and then even after holding the tight circle so long that the F86 I'm following in just stalls for lack of speed, the MiG apperantly still has energy to just go fly upwards quite steeply while still turning. 

This happens against both Veteran and ace AI. 

[Rudel_chw]

This is just a rant, no track file, no tacview, no data for the developers to inspect, not placed on the Bugs section .. what a waste 

[Exorcet]

Until the GFM is released, do not expect the AI to fly within realistic limits.

[schurem]

Also, the MiG is about 1200kg lighter than the sabre while having a similar amount of thrust.

[Mars Exulte]

On 11/10/2022 at 2:02 PM, Rudel_chw said:

This is just a rant, no track file, no tacview, no data for the developers to inspect, not placed on the Bugs section .. what a waste 

The MiG-15 FM is known to be completely borked, and has been for years, OP merely repeats what has been stated a million times before.

On 11/13/2022 at 6:03 AM, schurem said:

Also, the MiG is about 1200kg lighter than the sabre while having a similar amount of thrust.

Completely irrelevant. It's been screwed up since day one. Likewise with the AI F-5, although the MiG is a much worse offender.

On 11/10/2022 at 2:17 PM, Exorcet said:

Until the GFM is released, do not expect the AI to fly within realistic limits.

 Unfortunately true, despite the fact it could be fixed with some table adjustments in an afternoon, those sort of easy fixes are typically the ones that linger longest around here.

 

And before somebody comes in spurging about my ''easy fix'' comment. AI literally use what is effectively a spreadsheet. It is not a FM like for player aircraft. So yes, it is literally adjusting numbers. You can even do it yourself, or used to if it hasn'tbeen encrypted since then

[Elf1606688794]

On 11/10/2022 at 1:56 PM, Gunfreak said:

So while the new AI works on other jets, and half works on the 15, it's still bonkers. MiG15 AI has infinite energy, it can keep turning and turning, tighting up the circle way past the F86 and then even after holding the tight circle so long that the F86 I'm following in just stalls for lack of speed, the MiG apperantly still has energy to just go fly upwards quite steeply while still turning. 

This happens against both Veteran and ace AI. 

Happens when the AI MiG-15 is on Rookie setting also.

[Squiffy]

Yup,

See my post below in FM Changes:

How about AI model? Last time I checked, the FM matrix had a fault where lift was greater than zero at Mach = 0. This is impossible and can explain some of its Sputnik-like performance. This may have been done to avoid limit/infinity errors in the AI but it is still impossible in reality Sure it was great in the vertical and climb with it's Rolls-Royce derived engine. But at Mach=0, Lift=0. I can take a look later as I have upgraded to 2.9 but I think I would rather buy the F-4 than FC 2024. 

Edited September 17, 2024 by Squiffy

[AeriaGloria]

This guys SFM mod is very well researched and would help a lot. I believe he’s fine if ED uses or modifies it. If the gun data was changed using his info that would be awesome to, but I dream maybe 

[Elf1606688794]

On 9/22/2024 at 9:42 PM, AeriaGloria said:

This guys SFM mod is very well researched and would help a lot. I believe he’s fine if ED uses or modifies it. If the gun data was changed using his info that would be awesome to, but I dream maybe 

Link to the mod?

[AeriaGloria]

4 hours ago, Elf1606688794 said:

Link to the mod?

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/351306-sfm-performance-and-inaccuracies/#comment-5459098

[Dragon1-1]

A lookup table can be perfectly fine, as long as the values are reasonably dense and derived from a realistic aerodynamic model (or the real charts). This is obviously not the case here. Until we get GFM, we should at least get the lookup tables fixed up.

[irisono]

Am 23.3.2023 um 01:37 schrieb Mars Exulte:

The MiG-15 FM is known to be completely borked, and has been for years, OP merely repeats what has been stated a million times before.

Completely irrelevant. It's been screwed up since day one. Likewise with the AI F-5, although the MiG is a much worse offender.

 Unfortunately true, despite the fact it could be fixed with some table adjustments in an afternoon, those sort of easy fixes are typically the ones that linger longest around here.

 

And before somebody comes in spurging about my ''easy fix'' comment. AI literally use what is effectively a spreadsheet. It is not a FM like for player aircraft. So yes, it is literally adjusting numbers. You can even do it yourself, or used to if it hasn'tbeen encrypted since then

I completely agree with all three of your answers. I'm always amazed why there are people who try to gloss over obvious flaws, such as the FM behavior of some AI aircraft. It's also quite surprising that three and half years after the announcement, DCS still hasn't introduced GFM (see link below).

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/newsletters/a134f231fe8269e1c78dd6d0dd8c3c9d/