DukeAngus Posted December 28, 2022 Posted December 28, 2022 i have notice a couple of updates ago that a lot of the bandits aircraft would go missing, the other day with in a short period of time they started dropping repeatedly. these were just 1v1 scenarios, i had noticed things happening in bigger scenarios but its alot harder to pin point the issue and i saw them fly into the ground in two of these tracks, here are a couple of tracks. ai.crashing.ground.trk ai.crashing.ground.2.trk ai.crashing.ground.3.bvr.trk
DukeAngus Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 just a couple more kamikaze Ai. the interesting parts will be at the end of the track. ai.crashing.ground.again.1.bvr.trk ai.crashing.ground.again.2.bvr.trk ai.crashing.ground.again.3.bvr.trk ai.crashing.ground.again.4.bvr.trk ai.crashing.ground.again.5.bvr.trk
DukeAngus Posted January 7, 2023 Author Posted January 7, 2023 im just taking a stab in the dark here, but maybe one of the reasons why the ai have been flying into the ground is because in dcs most trees are 300 to 400 ft tall. i routinely see ai flying in between trees, granted it makes for a good dog fight, if they dont crash.
ED Team NineLine Posted January 10, 2023 ED Team Posted January 10, 2023 I'll take a look, thanks. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
ED Team NineLine Posted January 10, 2023 ED Team Posted January 10, 2023 I just watched the first 5 tracks and all resulted in the player being killed and the AI never hitting the ground? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Clunk1001 Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 This topic is currently marked as "Cant Reproduce", so I thought I'd chip in because in around 8 out of 10 of my engagements today the Ace AI crashed themselves into the sea and died. To replicate, in mission editor, I just dropped an F-14A (player) and an Ace F-5, 10 miles apart (default altitude, default payload). In one flight, it takes just 70 seconds for the Ace AI pilot to smash himself (or herself) face-first into the sea. Mission attached, 4 TacViews attached. I'm finding dogfights in DCS are more a game of "Shoot him before he kills himself". What my RIO sees is coming: What's actually coming: And how I'm scoring my sorties now.... Note: this is just meant to be a bit of light-hearted satire, before anyone get's too upset, I think the team at ED are doing an amazing job. Thanks Tacview-20230331-161729-DCS-test2.zip.acmi Tacview-20230331-162056-DCS-test2.zip.acmi Tacview-20230331-161933-DCS-test2.zip.acmi Tacview-20230331-163334-DCS-test2.zip.acmi test2.miz 2
Flappie Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) Hi @Clunk1001 and thanks for you message, which I had fun reading. I tried your mission facing the F-5, expecting it would fall into the sea. I didn't attack it and it took the advantage right away and I was shot very quickly. Please provide a track from your mission so I can learn how to scare a MiG-28 pilot like you do! And so I can see the bug for myself and report it, of course. hit.trk Edited March 31, 2023 by Flappie 1 ---
Clunk1001 Posted March 31, 2023 Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Flappie said: Hi @Clunk1001 and thanks for you message, which I had fun reading. I tried your mission facing the F-5, expecting it would fall into the sea. I didn't attack it and it took the advantage right away and I was shot very quickly. Please provide a track from your mission so I can learn how to scare a MiG-28 pilot like you do! And so I can see the bug for myself and report it, of course. hit.trk 70.42 kB · 0 downloads You just need to get behind the AI, and stay there; It will eventually just turn itself into the ground (seems to be triggered if you sit behind it and then start a high yo-yo, it’ll turn low with no regard to its height agl so collides with the ground). (The track files are useless and neither aircraft perform in the same way as the actual encounter) Edited April 1, 2023 by Clunk1001
Clunk1001 Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 I changed the loadout slightly: F14A has no missiles, no guns. With no weapons I can consistently (5 out of 5) kill ("dunk" might be a better word )the Ace AI F5E-3. The F5E-3 load was as follows: Whilst I've seen this with other aircraft, I can only replicate it consistently against the F5E-3. Mig29, Mig23, and Mig21, all seem to have better ground-collision awareness. 1
Flappie Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 Look. I really, really suck at dogfghting (attached track will prove my point - you have the right to laugh). Please save DCS tracks showing what you describe. Please use an ED fighter if you have one (ED devs don't have them installed because they don't maintain them) and the Caucasus map (same deal: AI devs usually don't install maps). Me sucking at dogfighting.trk 1 ---
Clunk1001 Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 Okay, here's the same thing in the F/A18, Caucasus. I'm not so good in the F/A18, but it still only takes about 80 seconds from the merge before the F5E-3 decides to take a bath. Trackfile and Tacview file attached. (I see that Trackfiles work with the F/A18 but not with the F-14 - didn't realize that). And here's a clip.... Swim.mp4 Tacview-20230401-122003-DCS-test3.zip.acmi 1.miz.trk 2
Flappie Posted April 1, 2023 Posted April 1, 2023 (edited) Thank you! I can reproduce the issue in current OB thanks to your track, but it doesn't happen in ED internal build: the AI seems to have a better survival instinct. Chances are the AI will do better in the next OB update. You tell me. Edited April 1, 2023 by Flappie typo ---
Hog_driver Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 I sincerely hope so. Yesterday, two 109s chasing my Mossie crashed into the Channel (very kind of them, I was running away at 30 feet hoping they'd hit the water). An FW190 "Zero" crashed into a mountain slope trying to outmaneuver me in the Marianas Airfield Denial mission. Kamikaze training?
dresoccer4 Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 unfortunately I don't think AI has any more desire to live here in the future 2024. i keep running them into the ground when I get behind them Acer Predator Triton 700 || i7-7700HQ || 512GB SSD || 32GB RAM || GTX1080 Max-Q || FFB II and Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle || All DCS Modules
ruxtmp Posted June 21, 2024 Posted June 21, 2024 On 6/18/2024 at 7:47 PM, dresoccer4 said: unfortunately I don't think AI has any more desire to live here in the future 2024. i keep running them into the ground when I get behind them This has been a thing for so long and just goes with the poor AI overall. They still do infinite loops just now they perform them horizontally instead of vertically. However they are very good at gun jinxing, that is until you run them out of fuel or into the ground.
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