Ironhand Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, FigPucker said: "aKsHUaLlY" You're wrong. ECM was activated immediately after AIM-7 launch, warmed up over the next few seconds, and was emitting by the time the F/A-18C was destroyed… It wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong and it won’t be the last. But going by the Su-27 indicators, it’s 15 seconds from the time you press the “E” key until the system actually goes active. Edited January 18, 2023 by Ironhand YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FigPucker Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ironhand said: It wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong and it won’t be the last. But going by the Su-27 indicators, it’s 15 seconds from the time you press the “E” key until the system actually goes active. Aware of the ECM warmup period, and the test has been well timed to ensure that the jammer is warmed up and emitting before the F/A-18C was destroyed. Arguing over definitions of the word "activate" has no bearing on the test results. Edited January 18, 2023 by FigPucker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavlin_33 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Unfortunately this bug is still present in MP. My buddy got shot down by AI fired Aim7. It's as if it has a combined SARH/IR seeker. i5-4690K CPU 3.50Ghz @ 4.10GHz; 32GB DDR3 1600MHz; GeForce GTX 1660 Super; LG IPS225@1920x1080; Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB; Windows 10 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temetre Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) Am 7.1.2023 um 20:41 schrieb al531246: Because the missile must be launched in HOJ mode. HOJ guidance is completely different from normal guidance. Also the AIM-7 doesn't have a logic which would auto-select HOJ if a lock is lost. To better understand the issue, do you know if that is also true for the R-27R/ER and S530F/D? Or Aim-120/R-77 as well if oyu know. Theres just a completel lack of information in the documentation, as far as I can tell. The Aim-54 apparently switches automatically back and forth between SARH/ARH and ECM. Edited June 14, 2023 by Temetre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Pavlin_33 said: Unfortunately this bug is still present in MP. My buddy got shot down by AI fired Aim7. It's as if it has a combined SARH/IR seeker. Was your buddy using ECM? The AIM-7 is Homeon Jam (HOJ) capable, meaning it can guide onto active jammers on its own. So this screenshot in itself doesn't necessarily show a bug. Edited June 14, 2023 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstar10 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, QuiGon said: Was your buddy using ECM? The AIM-7 is Homeon Jam (HOJ) capable, meaning it can guide onto active jammers on its own. So this screenshot in itself doesn't necessarily show a bug. The screenshot shows he was flying a MIG-29A which doesn't have a Jammer in DCS So the Aim-7 was not using HOJ 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Just now, Redstar10 said: The screenshot shows he was flying a MIG-29A which doesn't have a Jammer in DCS So the Aim-7 was not using HOJ Very good point! (I'm not familiar with the FC3 aircraft) So yeah, then it looks like the issue is back indeed. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tau Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 MiG31 and R33 have similar behavior. MiG was cold and R33 acts like phoenix Tau's Youtube channel Twitch channel https://www.twitch.tv/the0tau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 I tried as I could to replicate the issue in SP, but I can't. Track 1 : each target has its own ECM setting (never use, use if locked, ...). Attackers explode 5 seconds after they launch a missile. Missiles loses guidance when attacker dies. Track 2 : same as track 1, only this time all targets set ECM when attackers explode. Missiles loses guidance when attacker dies. Track 3 : same as track 1, only this time all targets set ECM when a missile is fired at them. Missiles loses guidance when attacker dies. 1. AIM-7F.trk 3. AIM-7F_ECM_on_when_targeted.trk 2. AIM-7F_ECM_on_when_attacker_explode.trk Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Shell Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Flappie said: I tried as I could to replicate the issue in SP, but I can't. Track 1 : each target has its own ECM setting (never use, use if locked, ...). Attackers explode 5 seconds after they launch a missile. Missiles loses guidance when attacker dies. Track 2 : same as track 1, only this time all targets set ECM when attackers explode. Missiles loses guidance when attacker dies. Track 3 : same as track 1, only this time all targets set ECM when a missile is fired at them. Missiles loses guidance when attacker dies. I'm away from DCS for a few weeks so I can't do testing. But I believe the problem is not that the missile can guide itself, by itself, on the target, but rather it seems to be that the attacker is able to guide the missile no matter its aspect. Even if he's facing away from the target. Which should be impossible with a SARH missile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 New try: I locked a Su-27 (no ECM for him) with my F-15C mode "4", fired the AIM-7F, saw it follow the target, then I changed my course, until the missile lost guidance. AIM-7F_fox1.trk Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Shell Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Flappie said: New try: I locked a Su-27 (no ECM for him) with my F-15C mode "4", fired the AIM-7F, saw it follow the target, then I changed my course, until the missile lost guidance. Mmmhhh, in this case, could it be related to this problem affecting many AI units and their guided ammunitions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 I have no idea. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinz1er Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 I have run into this where I: 1. I have the jammer on, bandit fires a FOX-1. 2. I get a missile warning so I turn the jammer off. 3. Bandit gets splashed 4. Bandit's FOX-1 still guides on me even though jammer is off and kills me with no missile warning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 On 7/20/2023 at 11:03 PM, Rinz1er said: I have run into this where I: 1. I have the jammer on, bandit fires a FOX-1. 2. I get a missile warning so I turn the jammer off. 3. Bandit gets splashed 4. Bandit's FOX-1 still guides on me even though jammer is off and kills me with no missile warning I'll try to reproduce this issue. Which aircraft were involved, please? Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinz1er Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 I was in an F14. Can't remember what was launching on me but I suspect it was either a mig29, su27 or su33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Thanks. Well, I cannot reproduce this issue with the R-27ER either. R-27.trk Do you only witness this in MP? If so, do you do some SP too? Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinz1er Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 On 7/22/2023 at 5:54 PM, Flappie said: Thanks. Well, I cannot reproduce this issue with the R-27ER either. R-27.trk 185.93 kB · 3 downloads Do you only witness this in MP? If so, do you do some SP too? I have only noticed this in MP. In fact I just had this happen again tonight. From an aim7 launched by an F4. I have a track and a tacview but they are long (~50mins) where the only relevant part is in the last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 OK, I will try to reproduce this on a dedicated server. I rarely ask for it, but just for once, could you please send me the Tacview track? Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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