known issue Wingman formation landing

[b0bl00i]

Why is it that my wingman doesn't land with me? He climbs away when we approach the runway. Also, the ATC is rather poor. No approach guiding, no circling or Marshall stack, no vectors from turret to runway in bad weather.

 

Ed, please prioritize this.

[NineLine]

Its not super common for fighter aircraft, sure acrobatic teams will do it but I think for safety constraints its not something you would see a lot of. An option to force this could be nice and I can ask about that but don't expect it to be common, the AI flies on a path for the most part, if you or another AI plane get in the way of that path then he will try to preserve is plane and himself. 

ATC is planned to be redone, design work may already be complete and just waiting on dev time but we don't really have any info to share. That said we know how much it is needed and desired. 

[Ironhand]

On 1/1/2023 at 1:50 PM, b0bl00i said:

Why is it that my wingman doesn't land with me? He climbs away when we approach the runway. Also, the ATC is rather poor. No approach guiding, no circling or Marshall stack, no vectors from turret to runway in bad weather.

 

Ed, please prioritize this.

There was a time, when they would land with you. It wasn’t pretty but it worked. But it’s been several years since I’ve been able to make it happen.

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Ironhand

[NineLine]

On 1/4/2023 at 12:33 PM, Ironhand said:

It wasn’t pretty but it worked

That's key, I think the GFM is improving formation flights and how they fly around you and other AI. 

[metzger]

AI can't do any proper landing sadly. They just go for some always the same predefined initial point and circle there for one by one to go for strait in without any ATC comms. 

ATC is literally non existent now, some recorded voices which does not help at all for controlling.

I hope in the new ATC system AI will speak(and we could hear it) to the controllers and be able to execute proper and different approaches, holding patterns as directed by ATC.

Edited January 11, 2023 by metzger

[Sacarino111]

Just now, metzger said:

I hope in the new ATC system AI will speak(and we could hear it) to the controllers

Hhhhmmmm...

AI speaking with the ATC... Sure it is appealing! It would give a lot of inmersion, for sure. I really would like to see that coded.

Saludos

Saca111

[Qiou87]

12 hours ago, NineLine said:

That's key, I think the GFM is improving formation flights and how they fly around you and other AI. 

Hope it also prevents AI crashing when they fly formation with you and you land. It has happened to me on some occasions that my wingman will follow my approach and forget to go around, simply crashing behind me.

[metzger]

9 minutes ago, Sacarino111 said:

Hhhhmmmm...

AI speaking with the ATC... Sure it is appealing! It would give a lot of inmersion, for sure. I really would like to see that coded.

Saludos

Saca111

If it can be done with really decent brevity on the other popular and free Viper sim as well as other popular civil sims from 15 years ago, why not in DCS too

[shadowborn]

Meanwhile in 2024, after the big patch landed I set up two F-4 to fly a route across northern Israel and land back at Haifa, because I wanted to check out the map update while leaning back and relaxing. They landed in perfect formation, which I found kinda anti-climactic and somewhat reckless 

Edited September 30, 2024 by shadowborn