jonsky7 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) Hi, When flying the Mi-24P the ground speed shown on the NS430 is incorrect, about half of actual speed. Track attached NS430 Hind.trk Edited January 3, 2023 by jonsky7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 What kind of meteorological conditions, namely wind? IAS is indicated airspeed while the 430 would be giving you ground speed. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonsky7 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said: What kind of meteorological conditions, namely wind? IAS is indicated airspeed while the 430 would be giving you ground speed. I think the F10 map shows actual ground speed, so wind is already accounted for in that speed. But in this case this was a very quickly put together mission with just the single helo for making a short track, no wind. Not just the Mi-24P it seems, Mi-8 also reporting wrong speed Edited January 3, 2023 by jonsky7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said: What kind of meteorological conditions, namely wind? IAS is indicated airspeed while the 430 would be giving you ground speed. TL;DR: This bug seems to effect all modules tested (Hind, Gazelle and F-5E) - there is zero wind in the supplied track. • It seems the NS430 is doing a double km/h --> knots conversion. Detail: Setting the NS430 to display km/h, and flying at 120 km/h in the Gazelle • it displays 65 km/h i.e. 65 would be correct if it was displaying knots, as 120km / 1.852 km/nm = 64.8nm = ~65 Setting the NS430 to display knots, and flying at a Ground Speed of 135 km/h • it displays 39 knots/h because 135 / 1.852 = 72.894 (correct answer in knots) but divides it again 72.894 / 1.852 = 39.360 = ~39 Tested in DCS Open Beta 2.8.1.34667 Edited January 3, 2023 by Ramsay 1 i9 9900K @4.7GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 10 Pro x64, 1920X1080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowmover Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) It seems NS430 is broken. Also when i open it at 2D that gamma seems to go down. Make the grafics more darker Edited January 3, 2023 by slowmover [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonsky7 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 9 hours ago, Ramsay said: TL;DR: This bug seems to effect all modules tested (Hind, Gazelle and F-5E) - there is zero wind in the supplied track. • It seems the NS430 is doing a double km/h --> knots conversion. Detail: Setting the NS430 to display km/h, and flying at 120 km/h in the Gazelle • it displays 65 km/h i.e. 65 would be correct if it was displaying knots, as 120km / 1.852 km/nm = 64.8nm = ~65 Setting the NS430 to display knots, and flying at a Ground Speed of 135 km/h • it displays 39 knots/h because 135 / 1.852 = 72.894 (correct answer in knots) but divides it again 72.894 / 1.852 = 39.360 = ~39 Tested in DCS Open Beta 2.8.1.34667 Thank you for confirming my suspicions and doing some fault finding, nice work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowmover Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 i think when adding manual WP also does not work [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonsky7 Posted January 8, 2023 Author Share Posted January 8, 2023 @Flappie We would appreciate it if you could mention this to the team please, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Hello @jonsky7. Issue reproduced and reported. All aircraft are affected. 1 1 Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowmover Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Is there any progress on this problem? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 The problem has been acknowledged. Now we must wait. 1 Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 On 2/13/2023 at 5:56 PM, Flappie said: The problem has been acknowledged. Now we must wait. Is there any update on this, currently distance is the only value being displayed correctly when flying on the Caucasus map ? Distance 15.2 NM Ground Speed 64 KTS (correct value ~115 KTS) Ground Track 185°M (correct value 179°M, what is displayed is the TRUE) ETE 14:13 (incorrect due to wrong ground speed, should be approx. 7:56) Desired Track 195°M (correct value 189°M, what is displayed is the TRUE) Bearing to waypoint 194°M (correct value 188°M, what is displayed is the TRUE) DCS Open Beta Multi-thread 2.8.6.41066 i9 9900K @4.7GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 10 Pro x64, 1920X1080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 On 2/13/2023 at 5:56 PM, Flappie said: The problem has been acknowledged. Now we must wait. Open Beta looks excellent with most (if not all) of the NS430 Magnetic and True bearings reading correctly. I'm not sure about the Ground Speed (perhaps still WIP) as it seems to report a speed higher than IAS but ~5-10% less than the GS reported by other methods i.e. F10 map, INS, etc. this seems confirmed by ETE overestimating the time taken to fly a route leg. Either way, GS is much better than it was, please pass on my thanks to which ever team is responsible. Detail: ✔ Distance 31.6 NM ? Ground Speed 383 KTS (correct value ~424 KTS) ✔ Ground Track 128°M (IMHO within limits) ETE 8:14 (incorrect should be approx. 4:28) ✔ Desired Track 128°M ✔ Bearing to waypoint 128°M (IMHO within limits) null Tested in DCS Open Beta Multi-thread 2.9.2.49629 using F-5E, F-14B, SA-342L and MB-339A, Caucasus Map 1 i9 9900K @4.7GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 10 Pro x64, 1920X1080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 (edited) Yes, devs are still working on it. The last time I checked, the "GS" was actually the IAS, but it was in ED internal build. Can you confirm you get the IAS too? I'll say thanks on your behalf. Edited December 19, 2023 by Flappie 1 Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavkruger Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 108 knot for the gazelle on NS430, 118 on the tablet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Flappie said: Can you confirm you get the IAS too? No, the NS430 GS value can be close to IAS when low/slow, but high and fast it follows the higher GS, under reporting by ~10% For a F-14B at 0.8 IMN @ 30,000 ft, • NS430 gave GS = 432 Kt • Cockpit IAS = ~310 KIAS • Cockpit Info Bar (LCtrl+Y) IAS = 293 KIAS • F10 Map GS = 479 For info. 0.8 IMN Airspeed converter https://aerotoolbox.com/airspeed-conversions/ Edited December 20, 2023 by Ramsay Add info for 0.8 IMN at 30 kft conversions 1 i9 9900K @4.7GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 10 Pro x64, 1920X1080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusky Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Any winds aloft which might affect the figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavkruger Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) game from yesterday, MT, multi, 109kn on NS430 and 120 knot on the tab, and 250 km/h for the air speed (134kn indicated with face wind). ETA is really wrong too, even with the speed error. with this screenshot, i supposed to be more like 15min than 24. in real i need 12 min to be on my waypoint. Edited December 20, 2023 by Mavkruger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 This was fixed with today's update. 1 Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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