No official news?

[RaceFuel85]

Yes, I know Nick said that they'd likely not release much, if anything, until unveiling time

Yes, I know that they stated that "2022 might not happen"..

However..

As of early last month there were still statements saying that they hoped for 2022, etc.  The Phantom was featured *very* heavily in the 2023+ Video by ED, it seems like the golden time to release some more information, an update, etc was last week.  I know there's a lot going on in the world, lots of difficulties, but I would think maybe at least some information release would go a long way.  

During the F-14 lead up we got roughly quarterly updates, snippets of development here and there. The fact that there's been none of that with the Phantom is a bit jarring, and despite HB's stellar reputation (well earned for the F-14 and Viggen)..there's an undercurrent of uncertainty right now

[Czechnology]

1 minute ago, RaceFuel85 said:

Yes, I know Nick said that they'd likely not release much, if anything, until unveiling time

Yes, I know that they stated that "2022 might not happen"..

However..

As of early last month there were still statements saying that they hoped for 2022, etc.  The Phantom was featured *very* heavily in the 2023+ Video by ED, it seems like the golden time to release some more information, an update, etc was last week.  I know there's a lot going on in the world, lots of difficulties, but I would think maybe at least some information release would go a long way.  

During the F-14 lead up we got roughly quarterly updates, snippets of development here and there. The fact that there's been none of that with the Phantom is a bit jarring, and despite HB's stellar reputation (well earned for the F-14 and Viggen)..there's an undercurrent of uncertainty right now

Nothing I'm aware of. I try my best to keep a good feel for it and haven't seen anything. Only grey area is reddit where I don't keep any tabs. To my understanding there was a reply someone the HB team put out saying we should be getting details well before the half point of the year, but I'm taking them with a grain of salt because it wasn't Cobra or Mike who made it. 

[RevampedGrunt]

19 minutes ago, RaceFuel85 said:

Yes, I know Nick said that they'd likely not release much, if anything, until unveiling time

Yes, I know that they stated that "2022 might not happen"..

However..

As of early last month there were still statements saying that they hoped for 2022, etc.  The Phantom was featured *very* heavily in the 2023+ Video by ED, it seems like the golden time to release some more information, an update, etc was last week.  I know there's a lot going on in the world, lots of difficulties, but I would think maybe at least some information release would go a long way.  

During the F-14 lead up we got roughly quarterly updates, snippets of development here and there. The fact that there's been none of that with the Phantom is a bit jarring, and despite HB's stellar reputation (well earned for the F-14 and Viggen)..there's an undercurrent of uncertainty right now

For anyone knows, it could be all apart of their whole 'keep quiet until release' basically. They are most definitely holding to that if this is the case. Personally, I would like to see more update like the F-14 had in its time, but we can't really dictate how they handle the information that gets out. 

[RaceFuel85]

3 minutes ago, Czechnology said:

Nothing I'm aware of. I try my best to keep a good feel for it and haven't seen anything. Only grey area is reddit where I don't keep any tabs. To my understanding there was a reply someone the HB team put out saying we should be getting details well before the half point of the year, but I'm taking them with a grain of salt because it wasn't Cobra or Mike who made it. 

 I saw that also. 

I guess I just am trying to square  "We think we can still make 2022" in October/November to "Maybe before June"  around six weeks later. 

There's just something that isn't adding up 

[RevampedGrunt]

5 minutes ago, RaceFuel85 said:

 I saw that also. 

I guess I just am trying to square  "We think we can still make 2022" in October/November to "Maybe before June"  around six weeks later. 

There's just something that isn't adding up 

It seems fairly difficult to actually get a good answer with the development of modules, especially since literally anything is capable of holding back progress (Some situations more severe than others). I am fairly positive that we'll see it this year at least, but how much time between hype up videos and the likes and the actual release will there be? 

[Breakaway]

I used to get excited for the hype videos, but now I'm like 'oh great another video of something that wont be released for another few years'. I've been waiting for the Corsair for like 5 years now and that plane is hardly a complex one. This beast on the other hand is a complex machine and although I was disappointed not to see a release yet, I'm not surprised and won't be shocked if it takes a good part of 2023 to get an official announcement.

[dcsil2pilot]

6 minutes ago, Breakaway said:

I used to get excited for the hype videos, but now I'm like 'oh great another video of something that wont be released for another few years'. I've been waiting for the Corsair for like 5 years now and that plane is hardly a complex one. This beast on the other hand is a complex machine and although I was disappointed not to see a release yet, I'm not surprised and won't be shocked if it takes a good part of 2023 to get an official announcement.

With the Corsair, it's coming with a Zero AI model as well as carrier assets, so that I can somewhat understand. And the Zero has little to no information available so that can take time.

 

I'm very excited.for the F4Unas well, sorta opens the door for Pacific in WWII for DCS once it's released, just need more modules and assets.

 

I do wish IL2 did Pacific first, much better investment to spend $70 and get plenty of era specific fighters, attack, and bombers on all sides rather than $70 per module, $40 per asset pack, $xx for the map

[RaceFuel85]

13 minutes ago, Breakaway said:

I used to get excited for the hype videos, but now I'm like 'oh great another video of something that wont be released for another few years'. I've been waiting for the Corsair for like 5 years now and that plane is hardly a complex one. This beast on the other hand is a complex machine and although I was disappointed not to see a release yet, I'm not surprised and won't be shocked if it takes a good part of 2023 to get an official announcement.

Yes, I know the F-4 is complex..and it's totally understandable that all good things take time. The point I was making is going from "We're still optimistic we can release in 2022", then it being all over the 2023 trailer, and no other statements or even a brief  "Hey, we know it's 2023 now and the Phantom is still not out, but here's some basic info about XYZ"..hell I'd settle for a post about the J79 modeling 

 

[dcsil2pilot]

In my opinion, what's the most frustrating is the lack of communication.

 

Considering in November it was still gunning for 2022 release, now the ONLY communication we've seen is someone on Reddit saying "within 6 months, you'll start seeing stuff"...clearly it was known that the delay was happening.

 

Why not just tell us? Stuff happens, clearly the reasoning behind the delay is more than acceptable, we 100% understand it. Why lead us to believe it's being released potentially in 2022 when now you're saying potentially 6 months until we start to see things? 

 

You really can't over share, even when it's "this still going smooth!", "few hiccups, can't discuss much" Or "not gonna make the deadline, more news to follow" just talk to us. I don't get the radio silence on the matter. Clearly the official deadline is missed, but still not having an official response on the matter and leaving things to a comment on Reddit is not cool.

 

Tldr: missing deadlines are 100% okay. Radio silence on the matter after hyping us isn't.

[Czechnology]

It's an annoying dance of them wanting to keep our attention and keep their hand close to their chest in the event something goes wrong.
They want to keep us enraptured with Phantom Phever, but if they say like "it's gonna be out in x amount of time for sure" then if something goes wrong they've got a blunder. Which they've already had - WHICH - I do want to emphasize that last year's failure to launch was because of Ukraine and other issues with developer's family, entirely reasonable. 

1 minute ago, dcsil2pilot said:

Tldr: missing deadlines are 100% okay. Radio silence on the matter after hyping us isn't.

But this is the best way one can put it. They were talking like 2022 was still a possibility before the year was up, but managing expectations "We're doing everything we can, don't give up total hope". That's fine. I'd resigned myself to a probably late Q1 release. Now this newest bit of info implies to me they've resigned to taking at least half the year before we get information, not even a release, just info.
I really enjoyed the hype building strategy from last year, but now that the mark was missed I'd at least like a proper follow up. 

[RaceFuel85]

3 minutes ago, Czechnology said:

It's an annoying dance of them wanting to keep our attention and keep their hand close to their chest in the event something goes wrong.
They want to keep us enraptured with Phantom Phever, but if they say like "it's gonna be out in x amount of time for sure" then if something goes wrong they've got a blunder. Which they've already had - WHICH - I do want to emphasize that last year's failure to launch was because of Ukraine and other issues with developer's family, entirely reasonable. 

But this is the best way one can put it. They were talking like 2022 was still a possibility before the year was up, but managing expectations "We're doing everything we can, don't give up total hope". That's fine. I'd resigned myself to a probably late Q1 release. Now this newest bit of info implies to me they've resigned to taking at least half the year before we get information, not even a release, just info.
I really enjoyed the hype building strategy from last year, but now that the mark was missed I'd at least like a proper follow up. 

 

That is where I am at.  I'm an old school DCS guy, was in the trenches of the F-14 hype train, the whole "2017 no exceptions" misstep, which turned out okay because the module really looks great..but had they said in August or September "Hey guys, because of the global issues we're all watching in Ukraine and some developer family situations that came up, we're not going to make a 2022 release" and then finish off the year with an update, or something like a "Here's the cockpit tour" or something..I'd be so very okay with that. 

But this sudden and really fairly absolute silence isn't really feeling great. 

[Nodak]

Huh?  I see nothing changed in Heatblurs pattern, they aren't official DCS but 3rd party, and they always keep silent until the big drop of their own movie, that's when you can start expecting information releases, not a moment prior.  It's been this way on all their products, and a good thing, they can spend the time working instead of playing the losing game of trying to pander to everyone.

[RaceFuel85]

3 minutes ago, Nodak said:

Huh?  I see nothing changed in Heatblurs pattern, they aren't official DCS but 3rd party, and they always keep silent until the big drop of their own movie, that's when you can start expecting information releases, not a moment prior.  It's been this way on all their products, and a good thing, they can spend the time working instead of playing the losing game of trying to pander to everyone.

That is absolutely untrue. You either weren't here for the F-14 lead up or you're intentionally misrepresenting what happened. 

[Czechnology]

I know nothing about the f-14 release. Focus on what we got here and now.

My big thing is just continued emphasis on it's fine 2022 was missed. The reasons are 100,000% understandable. My issue is that we've gotten a weird change in direction from "2022 is still possible, we're burning the candle from both ends" to "before mid point of the year" from someone who I don't fully recognize and hasn't been making comments on the development before now. The silence implies we're still imminent, but the few shaky words we've gotten imply a long wait. 

Even if an annoucement dropped out and said "OK guys, sorry, something really f'd up and we're going to be a long while" or "Development is continuing, expect more news" - SOMETHING, anything, good news, bad news, or practically no news to follow up the missed mark, I'd be sated.

[RaceFuel85]

1 hour ago, Czechnology said:

I know nothing about the f-14 release. Focus on what we got here and now.

 

No I know, I am disputing the statement that HB's radio silence and then sudden reveals and big releases is normal and how they always work, this is false.  The first F-14 FM video came out in 2017, a full two years before the release..

Edited January 11, 2023 by RaceFuel85

[Manhorne]

15 minutes ago, Czechnology said:

I know nothing about the f-14 release. Focus on what we got here and now.

My big thing is just continued emphasis on it's fine 2022 was missed. The reasons are 100,000% understandable. My issue is that we've gotten a weird change in direction from "2022 is still possible, we're burning the candle from both ends" to "before mid point of the year" from someone who I don't fully recognize and hasn't been making comments on the development before now. The silence implies we're still imminent, but the few shaky words we've gotten imply a long wait. 

Even if an annoucement dropped out and said "OK guys, sorry, something really f'd up and we're going to be a long while" or "Development is continuing, expect more news" - SOMETHING, anything, good news, bad news, or practically no news to follow up the missed mark, I'd be sated.

What you are saying is exactly how I feel as well. It makes no sense to me at all. A year ago you got the impression that this was in advanced stages before the unforeseen events took hold but even then they played the "We have it under control" ... I just think it is poor customer relations to just keep people thinking we will see it soon to dead silence. This has been one giant buzz kill for me ..

Edited January 11, 2023 by Manhorne

[Stackup]

https://trello.com/b/HsMiJggJ/heatblur-public-roadmap

Roadmap has been updated to include the DCS 2.8 patch.  The Phantom is still marked 2022 though...

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

1 hour ago, Stackup said:

https://trello.com/b/HsMiJggJ/heatblur-public-roadmap

Roadmap has been updated to include the DCS 2.8 patch.  The Phantom is still marked 2022 though...

[Heinlein]

I'll admit that I am a bit disappointed about the lack of communication but on the other side it seems that HB have more or less adapted the "Helo games" approach after they released No mans sky in a terrible state. After the botched release they pretty much kept their mouth shut and slowly one patch after the other improved the game until it became a pretty awsome game. 

[IronMike]

We are currently working towards the unveiling, which will be soon - but I cannot say how soon, to not set wrong expectations.

I'm not sure who made the June statement, if anything we are currently not trying to make predictions, because, as you see, like with my statement from October/early November that we are "still pushing for 2022", it does little good. My apologies for that. Our goal remains: asap, but quality first, as always. We of course hope to bring it to you rather sooner than later. 

Development is progressing steadily atm, as most of you may have also seen in the 2023 and beyond video. We are very excited for the unveil, and hope you grant us a little more of your kind patience until then. Thank you all for your kind support and excitment! Rest assured, we can't wait to get it into your hands! 

[Heinlein]

hace 28 minutos, IronMike dijo:

We are currently working towards the unveiling, which will be soon - but I cannot say how soon, to not set wrong expectations.

I'm not sure who made the June statement, if anything we are currently not trying to make predictions, because, as you see, like with my statement from October/early November that we are "still pushing for 2022", it does little good. My apologies for that. Our goal remains: asap, but quality first, as always. We of course hope to bring it to you rather sooner than later. 

Development is progressing steadily atm, as most of you may have also seen in the 2023 and beyond video. We are very excited for the unveil, and hope you grant us a little more of your kind patience until then. Thank you all for your kind support and excitment! Rest assured, we can't wait to get it into your hands! 

I am sure that the product will be top notch once you release it.  

[Dannyvandelft]

We are currently working towards the unveiling, which will be soon - but I cannot say how soon, to not set wrong expectations.

I'm not sure who made the June statement, if anything we are currently not trying to make predictions, because, as you see, like with my statement from October/early November that we are "still pushing for 2022", it does little good. My apologies for that. Our goal remains: asap, but quality first, as always. We of course hope to bring it to you rather sooner than later. 

Development is progressing steadily atm, as most of you may have also seen in the 2023 and beyond video. We are very excited for the unveil, and hope you grant us a little more of your kind patience until then. Thank you all for your kind support and excitment! Rest assured, we can't wait to get it into your hands! 

No worries here mate. You guys are the best, and when we get it, it's soon enough.

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[StandingCow]

Take your time and do it right fellas.  We know HB puts out quality products.

[Czechnology]

2 hours ago, IronMike said:

We are currently working towards the unveiling, which will be soon - but I cannot say how soon, to not set wrong expectations.

I'm not sure who made the June statement, if anything we are currently not trying to make predictions, because, as you see, like with my statement from October/early November that we are "still pushing for 2022", it does little good. My apologies for that. Our goal remains: asap, but quality first, as always. We of course hope to bring it to you rather sooner than later. 

Development is progressing steadily atm, as most of you may have also seen in the 2023 and beyond video. We are very excited for the unveil, and hope you grant us a little more of your kind patience until then. Thank you all for your kind support and excitment! Rest assured, we can't wait to get it into your hands! 

We love you Mike. Looking forward to it.

[Beirut]

2 minutes ago, Czechnology said:

We love you Mike.

 

Everyone needs to hear that once in a while.