OpenXR Toolkit with new DCS release? Not working

[KCOOL]

Hi 

Is OpenXR Toolkit working with today's DCS release? Not for me. I promise I did not touch anything.

I saw a HUGE improvement in performance without the toolkit, anyway. But less sharpening. 

Best

Edited January 26, 2023 by KCOOL

[Shiroka]

Not for me, freezes on startup.

[mbucchia]

Working fine for me and several other reports on my Discord. Seen good reports with G2, Quest 2, and Pimax (EDIT: Add Quest 2 after report below).

However the bad news is for Varjo users, where it just won't work because the new engine uses VARJO_quad_views, and this will not be supported. Unless there is an option (maybe ED can tell us) to disable quad views, there will not be support for Varjo anymore.

Also if you are on WMR and using Motion reprojection enabled via OpenXR Toolkit, you want to disable Motion reprojection. There's a bug in the game engine that causes that to crash (not related to OpenXR Toolkit or OpenXR for WMR).

Edited January 26, 2023 by mbucchia

[oz555]

G2 here. I cannot get past the menu with Toolkit enabled regardless of reprojection setting in Open XR tools. If I disable the Toolkit missions will load, however performance is terrible and the sound is bugged (silence for the most part, but some switches can be heard)  

When I first started DCS after the update the Toolkit intro popped up and all my settings were at default. I then turned on reprojection, HAM mask etc before loading a mission. I'm guessing that's why I can't get past the menu, because I have reprojection enabled in the Toolkit but I'm unable to open it to change it due to DCS crashing.

Is there a file I can delete to return Toolkit DCS settings to default?

EDIT - I found "Safe Mode" in Toolkit settings.

Edited January 26, 2023 by oz555

[diamond26]

1 hour ago, mbucchia said:

Working fine for me and several other reports on my Discord. Seen good reports with G2 and Pimax. Don't know about Quest.

However the bad news is for Varjo users, where it just won't work because the new engine uses VARJO_quad_views, and this will not be supported. Unless there is an option (maybe ED can tell us) to disable quad views, there will not be support for Varjo anymore.

Also if you are on WMR and using Motion reprojection enabled via OpenXR Toolkit, you want to disable Motion reprojection. There's a bug in the game engine that causes that to crash (not related to OpenXR Toolkit or OpenXR for WMR).

Quest2 works just fine (OpenXR is enabled as default runtime in Oculus app).

[mbucchia]

3 minutes ago, oz555 said:

G2 here. I cannot get past the menu with Toolkit enabled regardless of reprojection setting in Open XR tools. If I disable the Toolkit missions will load, however performance is terrible and the sound is bugged (silence for the most part, but some switches can be heard)  

When I first started DCS after the update the Toolkit intro popped up and all my settings were at default. I then turned on reprojection, HAM mask etc before loading a mission. I'm guessing that's why I can't get past the menu, because I have reprojection enabled in the Toolkit but I'm unable to open it to change it due to DCS crashing.

Is there a file I can delete to return Toolkit DCS settings to default?

There is a safe mode option in the desktop companion app. Use that to start the game, then restore defaults from the menu.

https://mbucchia.github.io/OpenXR-Toolkit/troubleshooting.html#start-in-safe-mode

Sounds like your issue is that you had enabled Motion Reprojection indeed.

[zildac]

Hi 
Is OpenXR Toolkit working with today's DCS release? Not for me. I promise I did not touch anything.
I saw a HUGE improvement in performance without the toolkit, anyway. But less sharpening. 
Best

What headset?

[Baldrick33]

3 hours ago, KCOOL said:

Hi 

Is OpenXR Toolkit working with today's DCS release? Not for me. I promise I did not touch anything.

I saw a HUGE improvement in performance without the toolkit, anyway. But less sharpening. 

Best

 

If this is with OpenBeta and you updated then there has been a huge change with OpenXR!

Have a look at the 2023 patch discussion thread:

 

[BIGNEWY]

Open xr tool kit is working but if you have motion reprojection forced on you will get a crash. 

If it is set to auto or off there is no crash 

try disabling openxr tool kit or using its safe mode as a work around

We are trying to find a fix for this currently 

[mbucchia]

9 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Open xr tool kit is working but if you have motion reprojection forced on you will get a crash. 

If it is set to auto or off there is no crash 

We are trying to find a fix for this currently 

Thanks.

Can you also check with the dev team if there is a way to disable usage of XR_VARJO_quad_views for Varjo users, via a command-line argument for example?

That's an atypical mode and it is breaking some of the mods out there.

Cc @zildac

Also, apps should always check for view configuration availability via xrEnumerateViewConfigurations(). That doesn't seem to be the case here and DCS seems to activate XR_VIEW_CONFIGURATION_TYPE_PRIMARY_QUAD_VARJO regardless of whether it is enumerated, as long as XR_VARJO_quad_views is available from the runtime. This is not a conformant behavior when using OpenXR.

Edited January 26, 2023 by mbucchia

[Abburo]

@BIGNEWY besides CTD related to reprojection, could it be possible please to check the VR centering too.

For some reasons in my case the hangar shows upside down, and back to front.... VR centering button puts me in this weird position and have no idea how can I reset this. My headset is centered properly in WMR, and also the hangar shows correctly if I am using SteamVR

[BIGNEWY]

14 minutes ago, Abburo said:

@BIGNEWY besides CTD related to reprojection, could it be possible please to check the VR centering too.

For some reasons in my case the hangar shows upside down, and back to front.... VR centering button puts me in this weird position and have no idea how can I reset this. My headset is centered properly in WMR, and also the hangar shows correctly if I am using SteamVR

have you ever used the the eye alignment tool here on the forum? 

In your saved games dcs folder do you have a file related to your headset? If so delete it and retry. 

[BIGNEWY]

30 minutes ago, mbucchia said:

Thanks.

Can you also check with the dev team if there is a way to disable usage of XR_VARJO_quad_views for Varjo users, via a command-line argument for example?

That's an atypical mode and it is breaking some of the mods out there.

Cc @zildac

Also, apps should always check for view configuration availability via xrEnumerateViewConfigurations(). That doesn't seem to be the case here and DCS seems to activate XR_VIEW_CONFIGURATION_TYPE_PRIMARY_QUAD_VARJO regardless of whether it is enumerated, as long as XR_VARJO_quad_views is available from the runtime. This is not a conformant behavior when using OpenXR.

 

I will ask about this also. 

thanks

[Abburo]

1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said:

I will ask about this also. 

thanks

@BIGNEWY ... no need to load the team with this... just found out the issue was due to XRNeckSafer ... i have uninstalled this app and everything back to normal for now !

Thank you!

[dutchili]

@BIGNEWYPlease provide instruction for using OpenXR tools for Oculus Quest 2 users.

I don't see the pop-up when starting DCS anymore, nor can I show the menu with ctrl-f2.

After the update i noticed it when starting DCS via the Oculus Home (normal procedure). After switching to the Oculus runtime and back to OpenXR (through Oculus tooling) i don't see the options anymore.

[BIGNEWY]

5 minutes ago, dutchili said:

@BIGNEWYPlease provide instruction for using OpenXR tools for Oculus Quest 2 users.

I don't see the pop-up when starting DCS anymore, nor can I show the menu with ctrl-f2.

After the update i noticed it when starting DCS via the Oculus Home (normal procedure). After switching to the Oculus runtime and back to OpenXR (through Oculus tooling) i don't see the options anymore.

Sorry I am not sure I dont have the quest 2, I will see what I can find however 

thanks

27 minutes ago, Abburo said:

@BIGNEWY ... no need to load the team with this... just found out the issue was due to XRNeckSafer ... i have uninstalled this app and everything back to normal for now !

Thank you!

thanks for letting me know

[5ephir0th]

12 minutes ago, dutchili said:

@BIGNEWYPlease provide instruction for using OpenXR tools for Oculus Quest 2 users.

I don't see the pop-up when starting DCS anymore, nor can I show the menu with ctrl-f2.

After the update i noticed it when starting DCS via the Oculus Home (normal procedure). After switching to the Oculus runtime and back to OpenXR (through Oculus tooling) i don't see the options anymore.

Are you sure OpenXR Toolkit is enabled? It should work, the "ctrl+f2" menu when booting DCS only has to show at first start, on next ones you should make it appear pushing ctrl+f2

Apart from that, i think if anyone has to provide instructions to how to use OpenXR tools is the developer of that software, who isnt ED

[zildac]

1 hour ago, Abburo said:

@BIGNEWY ... no need to load the team with this... just found out the issue was due to XRNeckSafer ... i have uninstalled this app and everything back to normal for now !

Thank you!

This is NOT just about XRNecksafer. As stated, the issue is the way DCS is enumerating the capabilities in relation to OpenXR for the given HMD. For the Varjo this results in OXRTK no longer working when attempting to use native DCS OXR. @BIGNEWY please do report @mbucchia findings to the team. Thankyou.

[Abburo]

35 minutes ago, zildac said:

This is NOT just about XRNecksafer. As stated, the issue is the way DCS is enumerating the capabilities in relation to OpenXR for the given HMD. For the Varjo this results in OXRTK no longer working when attempting to use native DCS OXR. @BIGNEWY please do report @mbucchia findings to the team. Thankyou.

Your issue seems slightly different from my side... even they could be somehow related... however XRNEckSafer was the one getting me odd results. Without it everything is back to normal on my HP G2 headset. The XRNeckSafer developer indeed found there were some changes within DCS on the last update and will attempt to fix from his side as well.

[zildac]

29 minutes ago, Abburo said:

Your issue seems slightly different from my side... even they could be somehow related... however XRNEckSafer was the one getting me odd results. Without it everything is back to normal on my HP G2 headset. The XRNeckSafer developer indeed found there were some changes within DCS on the last update and will attempt to fix from his side as well.

The issue I and @mbucchiaare talking about is specifically related to Varjo headsets and the way in which the "new" OpenXR DCS enumerates them. But yes, there are likely issues affecting other headsets too, albeit for different reasons.

[divinee]

Turbo mode caused freezing for me. After switching off there haven’t been any problems.

[plaughlin7]

I am using A Pimax 8KX . I have tried everything to get DCS to load to no avail. I can even get to the start menu in safe mode to turn everything off. 

[ORboarder]

37 minutes ago, divinee said:

Turbo mode caused freezing for me. After switching off there haven’t been any problems.

Such a shame because turbo mode was the bomb.  Hope we get a quick hotfix

[Thanatos31]

16 hours ago, Shiroka said:

Not for me, freezes on startup.

Same here - did you start a thread about it ? 

The game boots the first few seconds, I have 2-3 seconds on the WMR, and then my Reverb G2 only shows black screen with white dots 

[Baldrick33]

1 minute ago, Thanatos31 said:

The game boots the first few seconds, I have 2-3 seconds on the WMR, and then my Reverb G2 only shows black screen with white dots 

 

Are you running with motion reprojection forced on? In which case you will need to disable it until a fix comes.