WeCantAllBeNavy Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Baldrick33 said: Just on the off chance, have you definitely not got SteamVR as the default OpenXR runtime in SteamVR settings? ehhhh i might have done this for troubleshooting or on a recommended comment i saw, yes.... now i am lost again to find this setting. Do I have to enable openvr just to get the full steamvr menu back? When I go into settings right now it has almost nothing in it even with the advanced tab slide to on. There was something special i had to do before to get the full settings to present themsevles, right? Edit: Oh also the steamvr setting specifically for Varjo is turned on under "manage add ons" Edited June 13, 2023 by WeCantAllBeNavy
Baldrick33 Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 With WMR you just need to set the the WMR profile to be the default OpenXR runtime, not sure how it works with Varjo AMD 5800X3D · MSI 4080 · Asus ROG Strix B550 Gaming · HP Reverb Pro · 1Tb M.2 NVMe, 32Gb Corsair Vengence 3600MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · VIRPIL T-50CM3 Base, Alpha Prime R. VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Base. JetSeat
WeCantAllBeNavy Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) I am now opening WMR for the first time ever and initial setup is started. I never opened it before.... thanks for babying me here. Edit: Nevermind, WMR doesn't even see the headset at all Edited June 13, 2023 by WeCantAllBeNavy
edmuss Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) WMR has no impact on varjo, you also don't need to use the force openxr or force VR switches. MT is openxr only, delete the switches, start it up in 2D tick the VR headset box in settings and close DCS. Fire up varjo base and from the virtual desktop simply double click on the shortcut to the MT executable. Edited June 13, 2023 by edmuss Ryzen7 7800X3D / RTX3080ti / 64GB DDR5 4800 / Varjo Aero / Leap Motion / Kinect Headtracking TM 28" Warthog Deltasim Hotas / DIY Pendular Rudders / DIY Cyclic Maglock Trimmer / DIY Abris / TM TX 599 evo wheel / TM T3PA pro / DIY 7+1+Sequential Shifter / DIY Handbrake / Cobra Clubman Seat Shoehorned into a 43" x 43" cupboard.
zildac Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, WeCantAllBeNavy said: I keep trying to launch with forced openxr and openvr turned off in Aero and it tries to open steamvr EVERY SINGLE TIME and then loads the game in 2D. I am using shortcut settings for the MT process like this: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\DCSWorld\bin-mt\DCS.exe" --force_enable_VR --force_OpenXR Just basically ignores it and launches in 2d anyways. The steamvr pops with all sorts of errors for why steamvr isn't on or w/e. Why is it trying to use steamvr????? Anyone? I have foveated turned off, openvr turned off(aero settings0, and vsync also turned off. According to everyone else's comments and posts this is the settings everyone is using... yet it still tries and fails to use steamvr. Why? Download this, set Varjo as the default OpenXR runtime, ensure OpenXR is enabled in Varjo Base and you should be good. https://github.com/WaGi-Coding/OpenXR-Runtime-Switcher/releases/tag/1.0.4 null null Edited June 13, 2023 by zildac 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 6600 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero
WeCantAllBeNavy Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 Nope. VR headset has been enabled entire time. I turned openvr back on in Aero settings. Exact same result - launches in 2d... I am feeling like i sabotaged some settings somewhere idk...
zildac Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, WeCantAllBeNavy said: Nope. VR headset has been enabled entire time. I turned openvr back on in Aero settings. Exact same result - launches in 2d... I am feeling like i sabotaged some settings somewhere idk... See my post above. 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 6600 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero
edmuss Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 Might it be linked to the fact that DCS is installed under program files and it's an access issue? Ryzen7 7800X3D / RTX3080ti / 64GB DDR5 4800 / Varjo Aero / Leap Motion / Kinect Headtracking TM 28" Warthog Deltasim Hotas / DIY Pendular Rudders / DIY Cyclic Maglock Trimmer / DIY Abris / TM TX 599 evo wheel / TM T3PA pro / DIY 7+1+Sequential Shifter / DIY Handbrake / Cobra Clubman Seat Shoehorned into a 43" x 43" cupboard.
zildac Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 Might it be linked to the fact that DCS is installed under program files and it's an access issue?True... Run as admin? 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 6600 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero
WeCantAllBeNavy Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) Zildac - did this running the exe as admin and it was already set as runtime, nothing to change. edmuss - i have been launching steam with admin priv and also run my MT DCS shortcut with admin priv - so probably shouldn't be that, right? Do you guys get the steam launch warning window popup that says "do you want to run these extensions yes/no?" it does this everytime i launch the shortcut Edit: Does HDR being on in windows matter??? Edited June 13, 2023 by WeCantAllBeNavy
speed-of-heat Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 There should be a hint somewhere about not installing DCS in program files for everyone's sanity ... 2 SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
WeCantAllBeNavy Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said: There should be a hint somewhere about not installing DCS in program files for everyone's sanity ... Will i lose my control settings if i reinstall to a different location?
zildac Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 Will i lose my control settings if i reinstall to a different location?In theory, no. Thry are stored in the config folder under saved games / DCS 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 6600 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero
WeCantAllBeNavy Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 I'm running out of things to check. Dont' really want to re-install 500gig... Is this not a glaring problem (screenshot)?
zildac Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 I'm running out of things to check. Dont' really want to re-install 500gig... Is this not a glaring problem (screenshot)? I think the point is that OpenXR is set to Varjo then SVR shouldn't even be launching. Only the background tracking service runs. 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 6600 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero
WeCantAllBeNavy Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) I'm also having a problem with Varjo whenever I reboot the computer Varjo has lost contact to the HMD and I have to unplug and plug back in the Varjo headset cable and then it's back online - the aero never did this before I hadn't used it for like a month or so prior to this. I'm starting to wonder if I need to reinstall VarjoBase Edit: I think my Varjo might be failing. I can't even get a stable steamvr session no matter what I do. It's like it just completely lost it's ability to interact with steamvr. I also tried moving it ports on my Asus Strix 4090 and it's still doing the same thing. I also tried disabling Hardware GPU scheduling (4090). Still doing the exact same thing launching in 2d. I shoudl also point out that 2d mode DCS seems unstable. It often loads to a complete black screen or takes like 20 seconds to finally show up the main menu then it will randomly go black again. I had to sign out of windows in order to recover the desktop because it was hanging. The varjo virtual desktop works fine though.... Edit: Everytime I try to play DCS in VR with Aero I spend 8 hours troubleshooting crap and 30 minutes flying... becoming a pattern lately Edited June 13, 2023 by WeCantAllBeNavy
zildac Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, WeCantAllBeNavy said: I'm also having a problem with Varjo whenever I reboot the computer Varjo has lost contact to the HMD and I have to unplug and plug back in the Varjo headset cable and then it's back online - the aero never did this before I hadn't used it for like a month or so prior to this. I'm starting to wonder if I need to reinstall VarjoBase If you haven't already tried then yes, it's worth a shot as something is definitely not quite right. The process for the Aero is really very simple with OXR. As I said, you shouldn't even see SteamVR launching. 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 6600 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero
WeCantAllBeNavy Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, zildac said: If you haven't already tried then yes, it's worth a shot as something is definitely not quite right. The process for the Aero is really very simple with OXR. As I said, you shouldn't even see SteamVR launching. It might be that the Varjo dock device is failing again. They already had to send me a replacement for the first one. If i'm being honest I don't think I would buy this again with hindsight. I'm about to just give up on VR and use trackIR instead cause this simply isn't worth the amount of time troubleshooting. Edited June 13, 2023 by WeCantAllBeNavy
zildac Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 Possible I guess. It has been known, but it's quite rare especially if all you play is seated. 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 6600 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero
WeCantAllBeNavy Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, zildac said: Possible I guess. It has been known, but it's quite rare especially if all you play is seated. 9 DCS files failed to validate in steam and were reaquired. Reinstalled Varjo base. Used the github app to set it to VarjoRuntime. Try to use the MT shortcut - still loads 2d- still loads steamvr. Why is it still trying to load steamvr???
WeCantAllBeNavy Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 42 minutes ago, zildac said: Possible I guess. It has been known, but it's quite rare especially if all you play is seated. I got it working again with SteamVR/openVR - I noticed a lot of input lag on my warthog stick with the F-16 on Sinai but I am wondering if this is just Sinai map being laggy... ?? I am officially giving up on MT/openxr until it's better supported. I got like 30% higher FPS with it when it was working on the very first patch but I can't get it to launch under any circumstance anymore - just loads the 2d game mode ignoring my shortcut extensions...
zildac Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, WeCantAllBeNavy said: I got it working again with SteamVR/openVR - I noticed a lot of input lag on my warthog stick with the F-16 on Sinai but I am wondering if this is just Sinai map being laggy... ?? I am officially giving up on MT/openxr until it's better supported. I got like 30% higher FPS with it when it was working on the very first patch but I can't get it to launch under any circumstance anymore - just loads the 2d game mode ignoring my shortcut extensions... Most bizarre. I'm assuming you have tried a full repair and no mods and still you can't launch MT and OpenXR? 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 6600 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero
WeCantAllBeNavy Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 Yes, it had to reacquire 9 files. I have no mods. Using this now: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\DCSWorld\bin-mt\DCS.exe" --force_OpenXR
zildac Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 Yes, it had to reacquire 9 files. I have no mods. Using this now: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\DCSWorld\bin-mt\DCS.exe" --force_OpenXROK, sorry just twigged. You're running the Steam version of DCS not standalone? 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 6600 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero
WeCantAllBeNavy Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, zildac said: 33 minutes ago, WeCantAllBeNavy said: Yes, it had to reacquire 9 files. I have no mods. Using this now: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\DCSWorld\bin-mt\DCS.exe" --force_OpenXR OK, sorry just twigged. You're running the Steam version of DCS not standalone? HUH? There's a standalone version? First I'm hearing of it? Where do you purchase it?
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