7800X3D, 7900X3D, 7950X3D..

[EightyDuce]

1 hour ago, SilentSierra said:

I don't know to much about PC, but I considering purchase a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-F or ASUS TUF Gaming X670-PLUS WIFI with 64GB DDR5 5200MHz.

Will I have this problem of burning the CPU and motherboard running in default memory profile? Or this stuff is on EXPO overclocking memories?

I don't intend to overclock the system.

Best regards.

One way to check is to go in the bios enable XMP or EXPO and see what it sets the voltage to. Settings aren't applied until you save the settings and reboot. 

No guarantee, but with 5200 I would be very surprised if it needs more than 1.2V if not less. Always verify. 

Edited April 26, 2023 by EightyDuce

[Jonay]

I just built my 7800X3D on a X670E with 2x32GB-6000 CL30 yesterday. Upgrading from a 8year old 6700k with 32GB RAM, it's night and day flying in 2D.

 

In VR, however, its a different story.  20FPS and it's showing CPU bound the entire time in the MT instance.  I hope this is resolved soon.

 

[EightyDuce]

8 minutes ago, Jonay said:

I just built my 7800X3D on a X670E with 2x32GB-6000 CL30 yesterday. Upgrading from a 8year old 6700k with 32GB RAM, it's night and day flying in 2D.

 

In VR, however, its a different story.  20FPS and it's showing CPU bound the entire time in the MT instance.  I hope this is resolved soon.

 

Something is wrong with your particular setup, there's no way you should be CPU limited and at 20FPS with the 7800X3D. 

Edited April 26, 2023 by EightyDuce

[PhilSkyfire]

7 minutes ago, Jonay said:

I just built my 7800X3D on a X670E with 2x32GB-6000 CL30 yesterday. Upgrading from a 8year old 6700k with 32GB RAM, it's night and day flying in 2D.

 

In VR, however, its a different story.  20FPS and it's showing CPU bound the entire time in the MT instance.  I hope this is resolved soon.

 

What GPU - and what graphics settings?

My 3080 10GB is the limiting factor. Texture settings from both high to medium/low give me 45/50 Fps instead of 20 as the VRAM starts swapping with higher settings.

[Jonay]

1 minute ago, EightyDuce said:

Something is wrong with setup, there's no way you should be CPU limited and at 20FPS with the 7800X3D. 

 

I went from an unstable 45fps to relatively steady 80fps in 2D, but I was getting 20fps before and after the upgrade in VR.

I'm on a MSI 2080S 6GB card, so if anything I'm GPU limited, but the DCS FPS counter is showing CPU bound (Render Process). I'm using OpenXR with my HP Reverb G2 (V1 cable) no issues with power supply or anything.  And in Xplane12 (poor VR track record) I went from 8fps with my old setup with bare minimum graphics settings, to 45fps last night with half-decent settings, so I know it's not my headset/PC conflicting.

Terrain textures low, shadows off, MSAA, SSAA, AO etc all down to the lowest/off settings - the stuff I know chews up VR headsets for breakfast and it's still not any better.

[PhilSkyfire]

OpenXR Toolkit can show the VRAM currently used. Have you checked this by chance?

[EightyDuce]

3 minutes ago, Jonay said:

I went from an unstable 45fps to relatively steady 80fps in 2D, but I was getting 20fps before and after the upgrade in VR.

I'm on a MSI 2080S 6GB card, so if anything I'm GPU limited, but the DCS FPS counter is showing CPU bound (Render Process). I'm using OpenXR with my HP Reverb G2 (V1 cable) no issues with power supply or anything.  And in Xplane12 (poor VR track record) I went from 8fps with my old setup with bare minimum graphics settings, to 45fps last night with half-decent settings, so I know it's not my headset/PC conflicting.

Terrain textures low, shadows off, MSAA, SSAA, AO etc all down to the lowest/off settings - the stuff I know chews up VR headsets for breakfast and it's still not any better.

With the 2080 super (very limited 6Gb Vram buffer) you will 100% be GPU limited rather than CPU. Something is not right. 

What are your CPU and GPU frametimes reported by XR toolkit? DCS ingame reporting of CPU/GPU limitation has been misreporting in the past, use open XR toolkit

[some1]

If you run out of VRAM, it will increase CPU frametimes significantly because it needs to juggle the textures between RAM and VRAM almost constantly. 

And I can't believe you're not running out of VRAM in DCS with 6GB GPU. The game can easily exceed 16GB usage.

[muzica9]

On 4/21/2023 at 5:41 PM, motoadve said:

Yesterday updated to a new Mbo and the AMD7800X3D, previous processor was an Intel i 9 10900K overclocked at 5.0.

Video card is a 4090

VR Varjo Aero

Huge FPS and smoothness increase, the AMD 7800X3D is a monster! so far no overclocking, just standard clock speeds.

Wanted to use AMD Master to overclock but for some reason the program does not run in my PC.

Any other recommended software for overclocking AMD processors

by how much exactly? i have now also i9 10900K

[motoadve]

38 minutes ago, muzica9 said:

by how much exactly? i have now also i9 10900K

By a lot, unplayable missions before are playable almost totally smoothly, its a big improvement.

[dugite57]

Lots of motherboard manufacturers are releasing Bios's to address the X3D frying issue;

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/preventing-ryzen-burnout-motherboard-makers-issue-new-firmware

I note  ASRock have released a beta one for the 670e Taichi (the mobo I'm getting) as well;

1. Optimize for Ryzen 7000X3D series processor.
2. Recommend for upgrade BIOS if 7000X3D processor is installed.

[Fakum]

@dugite57 Thanks for that update

[ISantus]

Just ordered my parts to upgrade to the 7800x3d. Coming from ASUS X570 Hero and 5900x with 32gb ram and 3090

Moving to 7800x3d Asus X670E-E, 64gb ram and 4090

Here's to hoping!

[dugite57]

AMD statement;

We have root caused the issue and have already distributed a new AGESA that puts measures in place on certain power rails on AM5 motherboards to prevent the CPU from operating beyond its specification limits, including a cap on SOC voltage at 1.3V. None of these changes affect the ability of our Ryzen 7000 Series processors to overclock memory using EXPO or XMP kits or boost performance using PBO technology.

We expect all of our ODM partners to release new BIOS for their AM5 boards over the next few days. We recommend all users to check their motherboard manufacturers website and update their BIOS to ensure their system has the most up to date software for their processor. 

Anyone whose CPU may have been impacted by this issue should contact AMD customer support. Our customer service team is aware of the situation and prioritizing these cases.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/amd-to-limit-soc-voltages-with-final-update-to-chip-burning-saga

I also not ASRock have put out a new bios 1.21 for the Taichi with these notes;

1. Update AGESA ComboAM5 1.0.0.6.
2. Improve memory compatibility.
3. Optimize for Ryzen 7000X3D series processor.
4. Recommend for upgrade BIOS if 7000X3D processor is installed.

Edited April 28, 2023 by dugite57

[LucShep]

From Igorlab's website (still one of the most rock solid sources of info on PC tech):

https://www.igorslab.de/en/neues-asus-am5-bios-beinhaltet-einen-unerlaesslichen-mechanismus-um-schaeden-an-amd-ryzen-7000-cpus-zu-vermeiden/

quoting:

"The creator of the Hydra tool for AMD Ryzen CPU tuning and optimization recently made a shocking revelation. He claims that AMD and board partners knew about a CPU power supply issue before Ryzen processors were launched in 2017. Despite this, AMD asked board partners to keep it a secret. The problem is that the voltage supplied to the Ryzen processors is not constant. As a result, the CPUs do not run stably and often crash or are unstable. The only solution that the Hydra tool creator has found is to overclock the CPU to stabilize the voltage supply.

The revelation that AMD and board partners knew about this problem before the processors hit the market is very worrying. Customers who purchased Ryzen CPUs may have received inferior product performance and may have paid for problems and inconveniences that could have been avoided. It’s unclear why AMD decided to keep the problem a secret. However, it is possible that the company feared that revealing the problem would lead to a loss of customer confidence. However, AMD is feverishly working on a solution to the problem."

 

[Hoirtel]

1 hour ago, LucShep said:

From Igorlab's website (still one of the most rock solid sources of info on PC tech):

https://www.igorslab.de/en/neues-asus-am5-bios-beinhaltet-einen-unerlaesslichen-mechanismus-um-schaeden-an-amd-ryzen-7000-cpus-zu-vermeiden/

quoting:

"The creator of the Hydra tool for AMD Ryzen CPU tuning and optimization recently made a shocking revelation. He claims that AMD and board partners knew about a CPU power supply issue before Ryzen processors were launched in 2017. Despite this, AMD asked board partners to keep it a secret. The problem is that the voltage supplied to the Ryzen processors is not constant. As a result, the CPUs do not run stably and often crash or are unstable. The only solution that the Hydra tool creator has found is to overclock the CPU to stabilize the voltage supply.

The revelation that AMD and board partners knew about this problem before the processors hit the market is very worrying. Customers who purchased Ryzen CPUs may have received inferior product performance and may have paid for problems and inconveniences that could have been avoided. It’s unclear why AMD decided to keep the problem a secret. However, it is possible that the company feared that revealing the problem would lead to a loss of customer confidence. However, AMD is feverishly working on a solution to the problem."

 

2017? Errr. 

[some1]

3 hours ago, LucShep said:

From Igorlab's website (still one of the most rock solid sources of info on PC tech):

Not really. His reviews may be good, if you can understand the broken English. But when it comes to things like this, he's just another guy wildly speculating on the internet, without much to back it up. All his theories about why nvidia gpu connectors melted were proven wrong. The previous generation he stirred a drama about capacitors at the back causing crashes, that also turned out to be a nothing burger. Even now, some damage photos on the cpus does not quite match his theories.

[LucShep]

3 hours ago, some1 said:

Not really. His reviews may be good, if you can understand the broken English. But when it comes to things like this, he's just another guy wildly speculating on the internet, without much to back it up. All his theories about why nvidia gpu connectors melted were proven wrong. The previous generation he stirred a drama about capacitors at the back causing crashes, that also turned out to be a nothing burger. Even now, some damage photos on the cpus does not quite match his theories.

It must be so recently then.
Igor Wallosek was one among the very few reviewers and tech jornalists (back in the time when Tom's Hardware was a thing we could trust) who told it like it really is.

Edited April 28, 2023 by LucShep

[SilentSierra]

I heard about the X670E is a better chipset than B650E, but it is the double of the price here in Brazil.

I can aford the ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-E, it looks to be a very good motherboard with a lot of USBs for all perifericals.

I found a good offer, should I get it? Or should I get the ASUS TUF Gaming X670E-PLUS WiFi because of the chipset?

Noob question.

Best regards.

Edited April 28, 2023 by SilentSierra

[EightyDuce]

5 minutes ago, SilentSierra said:

I heard about the X670E is a better chipset than B650E, but it is the double of the price here in Brazil.

I can aford the ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-E, it looks to be a very good motherboard with a lot of USBs for all perifericals.

I found a good offer, should I get it? Or should I get the ASUS TUF Gaming X670E-PLUS WiFi because of the chipset?

Noob question.

Best regards.

 

What specific features are you looking for that X670E has that B650E-F doesn't have? 

[SilentSierra]

5 minutes ago, EightyDuce said:

What specific features are you looking for that X670E has that B650E-F doesn't have? 

I asking if the chipset have any diference in performance conjuncture.

I intend to get the 7800X3D and RTX 4090 with at least 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 5200MHz to run DCS MT with HP Reverb G2 in 4K 90FPS or smoothly as possible.

PS: I would like to have many USB type A as possible to connect keyboard, mouse, joystick, throttle, rudder pedals, 3x MFDs, TrackIR, etc.

Edited April 28, 2023 by SilentSierra

[some1]

The choice of the chipset does not affect cpu performance, it only increases the number of peripherials you can connect and bumps pcie for some slots to gen. 5, which isn't useful nowadays anyway.

It's actually the same chipset used on b650 and x670e, the later simply has two of them. 

Edited April 28, 2023 by some1

[EightyDuce]

2 minutes ago, some1 said:

The choice of the chipset does not affect cpu performance, it only increases the number of peripherials you can connect and bumps pcie for some slots to gen. 5, which isn't useful nowadays anyway.

It's actually the same chipset used on b650 and x670e, the later simply has two of them. 

 

If the biggest thing you're looking for is IO then the B650E-F or the B650 Aorus Pro AX from Gigabyte are hard to beat. 

However, only way to get some of the overclocking features like BCLK/ECLK control is to get a high end 6+X670E chipset.

So one needs to decide what features they need. 

[SilentSierra]

The ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-E looks very good for me, I think I'll purchase it next month before the offers end or sold out.

Edited April 28, 2023 by SilentSierra

[Halface]

Had it up and running for a week now .... and omg  vr g2 dcs now  200% in openxr  no mp " i dislike it" most things on high maa at 2   ....80-90 fps  cpu framtime at 0.5-1ms  and gpu at 6 ms or something  ......

7800x3d   4090  64gb ram m2s etc .....my 4090 might be little overclocked  250 and 1000    havet touched the cpu  yet  ...quite super happy   ...but since i done this hyperfocusing  my adhd now is hoing into hibarnation  havent mapped dcs  joystick andthrolle rudder etc ... but tested runned ...using keyboard and my vr g2 thingies ....and got the fps  80-90  and sooo smooth and clairty  ....