Additional F10 Fog of War setting

[MartinCo]

Hi ED,

When using F10 view option Fog of War, the map shows enemy ground units, missiles, rockets, etc. in addition to enemy air units.

In an PvP MP scenarios in particular this can feel quite gamey in numerous ways:

- Drive ground unit fast through town, marking on map where units were spotted before they have any chance of engaging and clean up
- Use SU25-T Fantasmagoria (in particular) to show precise locations of many EN SAM systems on F10 and follow up with PP JDAMs without risk
- knowing when a specific type of missile is inbound, near-real time position updates allowing precise calls for calls for flare / chaff to be made
- Providing exact clock-position in dogfights with near perfect SA 

It would be great to have two features to help mitigate this behavior

1) An additional Fog of War setting that would only show air units and no missiles, etc.
2) If there could be a configurable F10 refresh interval to further remove the near-realtime perfect picture.

Thanks,
Martin

[Bersagliere81]

Yes please I badly want this too.

Adding these options will vastly improve pvp multiplayer experience.

 

[Sephryn]

Definitely agree, this would make doing GCI via the F10 map a lot more interesting too

[Vakarian]

A very good suggestion, hoping it gets noted by ED

[Hawkeye_UK]

@NineLine Any chance you can pass this onto the dev team.  The current F10 fog of war leaves alot of issues for MP currently and whilst appreciate we have many issues at present this is certainly one of them that would be a huge quality of life improvement for PvP servers.

It would be welcomed by all additional layering and options of what is displayed.

[Kirkwood]

Really hope this has been seen and is being worked on

[draconus]

Currently it's not realistic for anything - closest to a modern HQ command view. All units radio info and DL data precisely updated in real time.

Even best DL would lag IRL. Not all units can have DL (and not for all types of targets, and not all units can have DL with all other units, and not at the same time, there are limits to numbr and type of targets) or the devices to check/use coordinates. Radio messages from units' reports also come with lag.

Units spotted with MkI eyeballs can only be reported with limited precision and should be put on the map as "it was about here around this time heading that way fast".

Imho it should reflect capabilities of the unit we're in. A bit complicated but in need of a smart overhaul. OP suggestions are not solutions.

[Hawkeye_UK]

5 hours ago, draconus said:

Currently it's not realistic for anything - closest to a modern HQ command view. All units radio info and DL data precisely updated in real time.

Even best DL would lag IRL. Not all units can have DL (and not for all types of targets, and not all units can have DL with all other units, and not at the same time, there are limits to numbr and type of targets) or the devices to check/use coordinates. Radio messages from units' reports also come with lag.

Units spotted with MkI eyeballs can only be reported with limited precision and should be put on the map as "it was about here around this time heading that way fast".

Imho it should reflect capabilities of the unit we're in. A bit complicated but in need of a smart overhaul. OP suggestions are not solutions.

you sure about all that.....

As for Mk1 eyeballs only being able to report with limited precision, really?  Perhaps TA guys on a weekend hill walk lol.  You tend to find people watching for troop movements have alot of gucci kit my friend and are able to bring down hell, very precisely.

[draconus]

17 minutes ago, Hawkeye_UK said:

You tend to find people watching for troop movements have alot of gucci kit my friend and are able to bring down hell, very precisely.

If they have the right equipment, like JTAC? I was having a pilot in cold war plane looking out the canopy in my mind, or the usual soldier with binoculars. Feel free to chime in on details and corrections.

[MartinCo]

Draconus, I'm all for a far better global picture mechanic, but that's also significant amount of work to undertake

The initial suggestions were (I hoped) a low effort initial tweaks that would yield high returns for a significant number of the community - some movement and improvements are far better than nothing, and easier than asking everything and getting nothing

Edited September 22, 2024 by MartinCo