Extremely slow development

[bies]

All earlier AH-64 simulations like Longbow 2, Team Apache, Enemy Engaged etc. were extremely simplified in every possible aspect, we wouldn't even call them simulations today, but arcade shooters, from flight model and flight control, through avionics, weapons up to 2-crew interaction, not even close to the current state of DCS Apache. Let alone finished with FCR, interferometer, Longbow datalink etc.

To be honest it's incredible something so complex was even possible to be made in commercial non-military simulation. ED is doing fantastic job here, they have to have significant amount of experienced coders to be able to work on F/A-18C, F-16C, Mi-24P, AH-64D at the same time and still working on DCS engine.

Edited February 23, 2023 by bies

[Shrike88]

On 2/16/2023 at 3:50 PM, ak22 said:

I don't own the Apache but Its a module from ED, one thing I have learned from years of playing DCS.

Is that ED keep making new modules which slows down development of the modules. The MI-8 has been out for 10 years now and we still don't have multicrew.....

Its their business model unfortunately, until people vote with their wallets nothing will change. 

 

 

Very well said.  Cycle continues and nothing will change until we as a community become more outspoken and vote with our wallets. 

[Silver_Dragon]

9 minutes ago, Shrike88 said:

Very well said.  Cycle continues and nothing will change until we as a community become more outspoken and vote with our wallets. 

And do you penalize to other modules by do you dont get a feature when was release the Mi-8 was no planned? Milticrew has no "copy paste" and the multicrew always has been a pain implemented on side to side cockpits.

[NineLine]

On 2/16/2023 at 1:50 PM, ak22 said:

I don't own the Apache but Its a module from ED, one thing I have learned from years of playing DCS.

Is that ED keep making new modules which slows down development of the modules. The MI-8 has been out for 10 years now and we still don't have multicrew.....

Its their business model unfortunately, until people vote with their wallets nothing will change. 

 

 

I'm sorry you are mixing things now, unless I misunderstood this was about the speed of development of a in-development early access module. What you are referencing is the Mi-8 which is out of EA, is fully released and feature complete. You are wanting a feature added after the fact, which I will add WE WANT TO DO, but it is a matter of development time, honestly the Mi-8 needs a complete refresh but we require the development time to do so.

Anyways, comparing the Mi-8 getting a new feature to the AH-64 still in development makes no sense to me and has no bearing on our "business model".

Thanks. 

[ak22]

50 minutes ago, NineLine said:

I'm sorry you are mixing things now, unless I misunderstood this was about the speed of development of a in-development early access module. What you are referencing is the Mi-8 which is out of EA, is fully released and feature complete. You are wanting a feature added after the fact, which I will add WE WANT TO DO, but it is a matter of development time, honestly the Mi-8 needs a complete refresh but we require the development time to do so.

Anyways, comparing the Mi-8 getting a new feature to the AH-64 still in development makes no sense to me and has no bearing on our "business model".

Thanks. 

The point I was making is that it takes very long time for module to be completed due to the early access and the current business model of releasing new aircraft when others are unfinished, anyone who has played this game for years can see that new modules slow down development of other ones. 

I suspect the Mi-8 will get multicrew and some upgrades for $ later down the line. 

Edited February 23, 2023 by ak22

[NineLine]

25 minutes ago, ak22 said:

The point I was making is that it takes very long time for module to be completed due to the early access and the current business model of releasing new aircraft when others are unfinished, anyone who has played this game for years can see that new modules slow down development of other ones. 

I suspect the Mi-8 will get multicrew and some upgrades for $ later down the line. 

 

Development is taking as long as it takes. That's the truth of it. The complexity of our products is quite unmatched, this takes time. The other option of course is to do what some 3rd Parties do and wait till its closer to being done and then release, but the only thing that does is make people wait longer to get their hands on it, it wont speed or slow development. If you are suggesting we should only release and develop one module at a time, that wouldnt work either, its a sad fact that you need income to survive, and we continue to grow our team to be able to work do more but this all requires funding this covers your comment about the Mi-8 (as much as we would love to live in a world where everything was free and no one needs an income).

Thanks

[Shrike88]

On 2/23/2023 at 4:14 PM, NineLine said:

Development is taking as long as it takes. That's the truth of it. The complexity of our products is quite unmatched, this takes time. The other option of course is to do what some 3rd Parties do and wait till its closer to being done and then release, but the only thing that does is make people wait longer to get their hands on it, it wont speed or slow development. If you are suggesting we should only release and develop one module at a time, that wouldnt work either, its a sad fact that you need income to survive, and we continue to grow our team to be able to work do more but this all requires funding this covers your comment about the Mi-8 (as much as we would love to live in a world where everything was free and no one needs an income).

Thanks

True, and thats why unpopular I am sure and I am in favor of it, but DCS would benefit more from a paid subscription service.  Would serve two fold.  Constant revenue stream, plus extra accountability to the developers to meet timelines and criteria, as people would vote with the wallet on a more consistent basis. 

[Silver_Dragon]

15 minutes ago, Shrike88 said:

True, and thats why unpopular I am sure and I am in favor of it, but DCS would benefit more from a paid subscription service.  Would serve two fold.  Constant revenue stream, plus extra accountability to the developers to meet timelines and criteria, as people would vote with the wallet on a more consistent basis. 

Other dead horse... never.

[Schlomo1933]

vor 12 Stunden schrieb Shrike88:

True, and thats why unpopular I am sure and I am in favor of it, but DCS would benefit more from a paid subscription service.  Would serve two fold.  Constant revenue stream, plus extra accountability to the developers to meet timelines and criteria, as people would vote with the wallet on a more consistent basis. 

+1 

[admiki]

What is it with people and moving to subscription model?

 

[MRTX]

With almost all companies out there trying to take away ownership of software and forcing people into subscriptions, i simply can't understand why you would want ED to follow that trend. The company is already anti consumer enough with some of its behaviour, so don't give them ideas. 

[ak22]

Why subscription model? its not going to fix the long development time or teams getting moved back and forth between modules.  I would like ED to focus on what modules they already have out and the game mechanics/engine etc let 3rd party make the modules focus on the game itself. 

People have been waiting for years for splash damage, better AI wingmen, fixing the all seeing eye ground units and BTR's shooting you out of the sky.... I Fear ED is going down the start citizen route.

In the time what DCS has been out, other  game company's would of made a engine, the whole game,  released it and started the squeal, I really hope a new morden combat flight sim comes along competition would be good for ED.  

Edited March 1, 2023 by ak22

[NineLine]