Electronic Warfare, DCS module.

[ADHS]

The recent battlefield in ukraine, has revealed a hidden force that is fighting at
the present wars and have a significant role in: Electronic. Drones, Satellites, etc.
I think it will be a good idea to include this role in a new or an existence DCS module.

Edited April 4, 2023 by ADHS

[Furiz]

Electronic Warfare was present long before that,

but I agree, even tho we have it implemented in some small way with jamming, I completely support the idea.

Edited April 4, 2023 by Furiz

[Exorcet]

Going right for a module might be optimistic. AI might make a better first step, firstly because EW is complicated and secondly because it's usually secretive. With AI simplification is more acceptable and we kind of need EW aircraft in numbers for SP and MP missions for SEAD and strike packages.

[2circle]

The US doesn't do strikes into contested airspace without EW support, period.  For as accurate as DCS is, I'm frankly surprised there is no place for support jamming, either by the EA-6B, the EF-111, or the EA-18G in more modern campaigns.  In real life it is certainly complicated, but provided the jamming is on axis, going against a known (located) threat, this would be relatively easy to implement.  The jamming effects could simply be modeled as reduced detection ranges by the systems affected.  So for example, while flying into an SA-10 MEZ without support jamming is suicide, hypothetically, with jamming, the detection range could be reduced to make this a survivable event.  It would also improve the survivability of the weapons that would be potentially employed against the threat systems.  In any case, it would add a layer of realism that is currently lacking.

[upyr1]

Can we get the eb-66  and F-105G?

Edited April 7, 2023 by upyr1

[Silver_Dragon]

The actual lack of info of offensive jammers and working has a problem to simulate them properly...

[cordite]

3 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

The actual lack of info of offensive jammers and working has a problem to simulate them properly...

Simplify it for DCS purposes. See two posts above yours.

[Dragon1-1]

There was talk, some time ago, about an IADS module which would include some EW functionality. It's been quiet about it lately, though.

We know enough about jamming to implement it from Vietnam era to circa 90s, I'd say. Vietnam-era gear is definitely within range, those were relatively simple techniques. Modern, there's a lot of classified info, but there are public books on EW fundamentals, it could be a lot better than it is. Viper and Hornet already have a much improved jammer implementation. We don't need detailed jamming implementation or the EW aircraft switchology, we only need the basics of how they affect airborne and surface radars. This can be figured out to some extent, particularly for older systems. Unfortunately, for modern stuff, educated guesswork is all we can have.

[Exorcet]

5 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

There was talk, some time ago, about an IADS module which would include some EW functionality. It's been quiet about it lately, though.

That didn't pan out and ED was looking into alternatives.

Personally just updating SAM behavior to flash or coordinate with AWACS/EWR would be a massive improvement. A detailed module would great but is not necessary, and I'd argue the gains from simple quick changes are so large that it should be a separate long term project.

[Silver_Dragon]

8 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

There was talk, some time ago, about an IADS module which would include some EW functionality. It's been quiet about it lately, though.

The IADS module disapear from the scope some years ago, as the "Modern Assets Pack". Meanwhile dont have a official news about them, I think that projects has banished.

[rob10]

2 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

The IADS module disapear from the scope some years ago, as the "Modern Assets Pack". Meanwhile dont have a official news about them, I think that projects has banished.

Pretty sure I remember an "official" ED post saying that whoever was looking at doing the IADS had decided not to do it after all.  That was in response to a question about it's status.

[upyr1]

Any upgrades to EW need to be part of DCS core. Unless we can a flyable Vietnam era Wild Weasel like the F-105G or EF-4C or a Jammer like the EB-66. I really doubt we'd be able to get anything newer. 

[toni]

at the moment would be happy with a full multicrew  E-2C  Hawkeye  module

[FireHazard]

On 4/8/2023 at 1:32 AM, Exorcet said:

That didn't pan out and ED was looking into alternatives.

Personally just updating SAM behavior to flash or coordinate with AWACS/EWR would be a massive improvement. A detailed module would great but is not necessary, and I'd argue the gains from simple quick changes are so large that it should be a separate long term project.

Agreed but there should be some settings on this...because actually not as many operators out there are doing IADS to the level that we imagine them to be at all... for various reasons it's actually a lot harder to do from a practical / training perspective that it seems.