trouble dropping GBU onto A10C laser

[hannibal]

having trouble in F18C dropping GBU onto someone shooting laser from A10C.

 

my bombs on F18C match A10C laser code. i set GBU for inst fusing an CCIP...

Master arm on, A/G mode

i pickle, and it doesnt go anywhere laser is

i dont know what else to do

 

[Foka]

You need to drop it near the target for bomb to track it, not anywhere you want.

You both have to have target coordinates or you first have to LSS A-10C's laser, designate target and drop bomb on it.

Also remember that in DCS laser has a limitation up to 8 nm. You can't laser designate further.

[hannibal]

Ok I'll give it a try!!

I'm not sure about designate a target. What needs to be done on the F18C end for this?

My situation is F18C has the GBUs, but the A10C has the TGP..

Do u mean A10C designate and fire laser with flashing L

Edited April 11, 2023 by hannibal

[Hammer1-1]

The weapon has to see the laser first and foremost. You'll be basically doing the exact same thing you would with a JTAC on deck, but the seeker on the weapon absolutely has to have sight of the laser spot. You really should fly with an ATFLIR or Litening pod so you can spot the laser and set the seeker in the proper bracket....but you can watch this video and get a better understanding on what you need to do to get a buddy lase working. I do believe though you absolutely need to have a pod onboard so you can properly spot the laser and hand it off to the weapon..but after that you can just skedaddle out of there.

 

Edited April 11, 2023 by Hammer1-1

[rob10]

3 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

I do believe though you absolutely need to have a pod onboard so you can properly spot the laser and hand it off to the weapon..but after that you can just skedaddle out of there.

As long as you have co-ordinates to get you close (doesn't have to be precise, 6 digit MGRS works) and enter it as a waypoint then WPDSG and drop on that point (typically as a CCRP drop) you don't need to see the laser point or even the target itself.  We've used this to have F-18's drop through cloud with only the laser man exposed below the cloud.  In this case the lasing plane usually isn't firing the laser until 15-20 seconds before impact so there is actually no laser spot to drop on anyway.

Edited April 12, 2023 by rob10

[hannibal]

i found my problem.

when i switched over to man release for the GBU's it changed profile in which the fuse was off.

also my buddy in A10C didnt set the code properly,

he only set code for LSS, not the designator...and afterwards he had his gears down in which he wasnt able to enable the laser

after correcting the mistakes, we were able to successfully buddy lase from A10C and i dropped GBU and Laser maverick from F18C

Edited April 15, 2023 by hannibal

[Hammer1-1]

4 hours ago, rob10 said:

As long as you have co-ordinates to get you close (doesn't have to be precise, 6 digit MGRS works) and enter it as a waypoint then WPDSG and drop on that point (typically as a CCRP drop) you don't need to see the laser point or even the target itself.  We've used this to have F-18's drop through cloud with only the laser man exposed below the cloud.  In this case the lasing plane usually isn't firing the laser until 15-20 seconds before impact so there is actually no laser spot to drop on anyway.

 

ok, I didnt know that. I figured you would need at least the GPS coordinates to load into the computer so you can hand off to the weapon and normally you get that through the pod. I hadnt thought of the wpdsg solution.

[rob10]

19 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

ok, I didnt know that. I figured you would need at least the GPS coordinates to load into the computer so you can hand off to the weapon and normally you get that through the pod. I hadnt thought of the wpdsg solution.

In the case of a laser guided bomb, no info gets transferred to the bomb.  The "target point" (coordinates) gets used by the fire control computer to cue you for where to fly and when to release and then guides to the laser spot -- if it can see the spot.  A JDAM using GPS/INS guidance would have the coordinates sent to it.  

[Hammer1-1]

2 hours ago, rob10 said:

In the case of a laser guided bomb, no info gets transferred to the bomb.  The "target point" (coordinates) gets used by the fire control computer to cue you for where to fly and when to release and then guides to the laser spot -- if it can see the spot.  A JDAM using GPS/INS guidance would have the coordinates sent to it.  

I didnt mean literally to the bomb, I meant to the computer. Thats the only way I would think you would get the bomb fall line to appear in the HUD.

[bonesvf103]

Also keep in mind when people say it has to see the laser, that also means it has to see the laser spot.  For instance if your buddy is lasing the front of the tank, and you are in hot from the back of the tank, the bomb won't be able to see the laser spot on the other side of the tank from you and thus won't track.

Smoke and clouds will also affect this.

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[MarkyMark]

On 4/12/2023 at 1:13 AM, Hammer1-1 said:

ok, I didnt know that. I figured you would need at least the GPS coordinates to load into the computer so you can hand off to the weapon and normally you get that through the pod. I hadnt thought of the wpdsg solution.

He’s right, you don’t need a pod, but it helps. If targets are close enough to a wptdsg location, auto drop will let the bomb find the laser (with code set appropriately). Usually, the higher the drop, the better and more likely it is that the bomb will track properly.  Jtac is ideal, buddy lasing requires some very good communication and coordination to get right. 

[hannibal]

thanks everyone for sharing info

any good tutorials on setting up JTAC?

i always have trouble with JTAC pick following targets after the first one is destroyed..

i hear JTAC confirm "SHIFT" but nothing happens..