sobek Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Because real ka 50 not has this ability. :) PS: The search button ;):) Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
fedor Posted February 10, 2009 Author Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) i dont stand Because real ka 50 not has this ability. :) PS: The search button ;):) dont have? http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/ka-50.htm Thx for answer. Edited February 10, 2009 by fedor
159th_Viper Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Because you're strapped into a Titanium Lawnmower with the maneuvering ability of a randy garden snail on a good day when in a tight spot....... Couple that with the girth of a pregnant Hippopotomous with limited ordinance and you'll realise that the added weight of 2 Archer's with limited employment capability (Primary Role of CAS vs Air2Air Combat) is just not worth the effort......IMHO of course! Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
sobek Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 dont have? http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/ka-50.htm Thx for answer. Hell yeah, i'm sure i can digg up a link that will tell you that addition is a gardening tool, that won't make it true though. ;) Fact is, helos are not good at A2A. The military know what they're doing in this regard, you wouldn't use a porsche as a construction vehicle and they will neither. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
DTWD Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 dont have? http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/ka-50.htm Thx for answer. Duck and cover...run for your life! :D Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
CE_Mikemonster Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 The coaxial counter-rotating rotor system negates the need for a tail rotor and its drive system. Because of this, this aircraft is unaffected by wind strength and direction. Fedor, is this any more correct than the blanket statement referring to AA missiles? Too many cowboys. Not enough indians. GO APE SH*T
159th_Viper Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 :) :megalol: Superb - :thumbup: 1 Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Force_Feedback Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Yeah did tat too, the bastard I was even hung MICA IRs under it. Unfortunately, I can't get the things to fire. Please tell me I'm too noob regarding the Vikhr firing sequence. ie: how can I launch them? Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Рустам Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 :megalol: Superb - :thumbup: Yeah, it would be very good to play with R-73 and double R-60M, but unfortunately they are not working now... :) 1
fedor Posted February 10, 2009 Author Posted February 10, 2009 ok. Ok...the helos are not good at A2A...perfect. but if we have an enemy(helicopter) to our 12...we do?: Options: 1-Cannon 2-Vikhr 3-escape Some AA missiles would be perfect. Ok...sorry for my english and thx.
Boberro Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Yeah, it would be very good to play with R-73 and double R-60M, but unfortunately they are not working now... :) Maybe it is needed more working with lua or entire files of game? I hope we'll get working R-73. In LO case there was also many times said, "that is it not possible". 1 Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
sobek Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 In LO case there was also many times said, "that is it not possible". In any case, it's not realistic, but each to his own. I'm just wondering how multiplayer would handle such a manipulation. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
ZaltysZ Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Some AA missiles would be perfect. It seems that IR stuff is not very effective against helicopters (at least in this simulation). No one else noticed this? :) 1 Wir sehen uns in Walhalla.
Boberro Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) It seems that IR stuff is not very effective against helicopters (at least in this simulation). No one else noticed this? :) Still it is much more efective than Vikhrs or cannon. Vikhr plus Archers combo would be great :P Edited February 10, 2009 by Boberro grammar 1 Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
ZaltysZ Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Still it is much more eefective than Vikhrs or cannon. Vikhr plus Archers combo would be grat :P Vikhr is pretty effective as missile, just its aiming and locking process isn't. Wir sehen uns in Walhalla.
MTFDarkEagle Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 I think it would be awsome to have just two like R-73 type missiles just in case :P ;) Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
deephack Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 I find the Vikhr does not track very well in air to air engagements but the cannon works great. I never have any trouble taking down enemy helicopters with it. Use the helmet sight to lock them up with the air to air mode selected and then a quick burst from the cannon in HE mode will take most copters down pretty well. https://www.youtube.com/user/deephack
connos Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 The problem is to lock them up if they are moving fast. Or you just track them with HMS and shoot them with the cannon??? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ASUS M4A79 Deluxe, AMD Phenom II X4 940@3.5GHz, ATI 6870 1GB, Windows 7 64bit, Kingstone HyperX 4GB, 2x Western Digital Raptor 74GB, Asus Xonar DX Sound Card, Saitek X52 PRO, TrackIR 44: Pro.
eV1Te Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 It would be nice to have some kind of Mod that enables the use of the R-73 for example. Even if they aren't used in real life today one might want to create a mission where one is playing as a test pilot for Kamov and evaluating the effectiveness of A2A missiles on the Ka-50. Which would be a realistic mission since they have probably in some way some time tested this i would guess...
topol-m Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) I`ve started myself a similar thread. The most convincing arguments that i recieved were: 1. At the moment no serial ka-50s are able to carry R-73 and iglas (info from Kamov) 2. The only ka-50s able to use them are 1 or 2 experimental machines where air to air use was tested, or is still tested. 3. The biggest problem is not mounting R-73 and helmet sight similar to the one in mig-29 but the fact that Ka-50 doesnt have a radar (we are talking about IR guided missiles but you should find the target first ;-) ), and the cockpit doesn`t have the visibility the fighter has, so it is very difficult to detect (see) an enemy aircraft and shoot at it before it does. It will limit the use of AA missiles only for helys, and slow, low-flying aircrafts like A-10, su-25, against which you can use vikhrs allready. 4. The extra weight of AA missiles especially the heavy R-73 is reducing the amount of Air to Ground weapons that you can carry. So to generalize: Ka-50 doesn`t use true AA missile, at least for now and probably won`t use them in near future generaly because of the lack of radar (3.). I did not find anything about Ka-52 though. It wasn`t commented a lot. Large part of its systems are still classified but the presense of a radar makes the use of AA missiles (especially the light weight iglas) very possible. If someone knows anything about its AA capabilities can give us some info. Mi-28N AA? Edited February 10, 2009 by topol-m adding info [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mustang Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 I still think there *should* have been an A2A variant of the Igla made, designed for heli usage (like the heli-borne FIM-92 the US tried out) nice and lightweight :)
ZaltysZ Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Radar is not needed for IR missile launch. Basically, IR seeker could be slaved to HMS. You look at target, get a tone and launch the thing. Although A2A missiles look like nice option, but the fact is that they take pylons, which can be used also for A2G munitions. Trading useful A2G stuff for optional A2A one isn't very good idea for attack helicopter. Wir sehen uns in Walhalla.
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