Afterburner Question

[Avio]

I am using Warthog HOTAS, is there a good way to know when I have moved into AB? By the way, even in full AB, the RPM reads only 96% or so. Should it not be 110% or something, like in some other jets?

 

[razo+r]

2 hours ago, Avio said:

I am using Warthog HOTAS, is there a good way to know when I have moved into AB?

Check nozzle position. As long as they are closed you are out of AB. 

2 hours ago, Avio said:

By the way, even in full AB, the RPM reads only 96% or so. Should it not be 110% or something, like in some other jets?

 

No, 96% seems to be correct for the F-15E.

Edited September 20, 2023 by razo+r

[MAXsenna]

I am using Warthog HOTAS, is there a good way to know when I have moved into AB? By the way, even in full AB, the RPM reads only 96% or so. Should it not be 110% or something, like in some other jets?
 

I have the Warthog too. I've done this.
Filed my detent so I can push through into AB. You can also 3D print a custom one, or purchase one for push through online.
Downloaded Virpil's free joystick tester, installed it, started it, and selected the Warthog.
Quick start mission with the F-15E, Active Pause, F2 view, rotate view, and push throttle until it's positioned in Mil, right before/when AB kicks in. (EDIT: Read @razo+r answer now. Good point, check the nozzles).
Alt tab to Virpil's tool. Take note of the percentage of the throttle positions.
Exit mission, navigate to the Special settings for the F-15E, and set idle slider to the lowest, 3. Change AB slider to reflect the values from Virpil's tool. It's about 72 for me IIRC.
Back to QS mission to test, and then I tune it from there.
Now you physically feel when AB kicks in.

Cheers!

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[Jel]

vor 30 Minuten schrieb MAXsenna:

I have the Warthog too. I've done this.
Filed my detent so I can push through into AB. You can also 3D print a custom one, or purchase one for push through online.
 

That´s exactly how it should be done. Works great and also nullifies the need to remove the detent when flying the A10 

For those who don´t want to change the detent themselves, the premade 3d printed ones are quite cheap to get.

Edited September 20, 2023 by Jel

[MAXsenna]

6 minutes ago, Jel said:

That´s exactly how it should be done. Works great and also nullifies the need to remove the detent when flying the A10 
For those who don´t want to change the detent themselves, the premade 3d printed ones are quite cheap to get.

To be honest. I have no idea where the cover for the detent is, so it takes me seconds to swap detents.  

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Edited September 20, 2023 by MAXsenna

[LordOrion]

You can also try to use the afterburner dent of the warthog trottle: you just new to unscrew a pair screws (see warthog manual at page 11).

[Jel]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb MAXsenna:

To be honest. I have no idea where the cover for the detent is, so it takes me seconds to swap detents.  

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It doesn´t hop out when you use it without the cover ? 

[MAXsenna]

31 minutes ago, Jel said:

It doesn´t hop out when you use it without the cover ? 

Nope, never. I took the lid off years ago, and now I don't know where it is.

[Avio]

Thanks for the ideas folks. May just give that a try.

[BigBorner]

On 9/20/2023 at 5:01 AM, Avio said:

I am using Warthog HOTAS, is there a good way to know when I have moved into AB? By the way, even in full AB, the RPM reads only 96% or so. Should it not be 110% or something, like in some other jets?

 

I turned on loud AB sound in the options. That really helps, because you really notice when the AB kicks on. 

[Beirut]

1 hour ago, BigBorner said:

I turned on loud AB sound in the options. That really helps, because you really notice when the AB kicks on. 

 

Same here. I have the Warthog throttle but I just go by the sound. 

[BigBorner]

And it sounds neat when it comes on with this „thump“ 

Edited September 21, 2023 by BigBorner

[MAXsenna]

And it sounds neat when it comes on with this „thump“ 

Rocket booster?

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[LazyBoot]

On 9/20/2023 at 9:20 AM, MAXsenna said:

Quick start mission with the F-15E, Active Pause, F2 view, rotate view, and push throttle until it's positioned in Mil, right before/when AB kicks in. (EDIT: Read @razo+r answer now. Good point, check the nozzles).

The controls overlay (ctrl+enter) will also show a line where the ab zone starts.

[Tenkom]

On 9/20/2023 at 9:50 AM, Jel said:

That´s exactly how it should be done. Works great and also nullifies the need to remove the detent when flying the A10 

For those who don´t want to change the detent themselves, the premade 3d printed ones are quite cheap to get.

 

Just tune the throttle axis in DCS so that 100% throttle in the A10 is right at the AB point on the throttle. This way you have smooth throttle all the way with no fake AB push-through zone which makes no sense in the A10.

[Jel]

Ah if you have rounded your detent bit, there´s no need for that. In addition, the small detent zone will give you a nice "cruise" throttle setting on the A10

[MAXsenna]

Just tune the throttle axis in DCS so that 100% throttle in the A10 is right at the AB point on the throttle. This way you have smooth throttle all the way with no fake AB push-through zone which makes no sense in the A10.

Why would you do that? You'll loose so much of the throttle range that AAR might be unnecessary challenging.
You do know that the detent can be removed or turned around so there is no detent, right?

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[Tenkom]

7 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Why would you do that? You'll loose so much of the throttle range that AAR might be unnecessary challenging.
You do know that the detent can be removed or turned around so there is no detent, right?

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You'll have the same (mil power)range as any other module with afterburner. More than enough for me at least. I do pretty well with AAR. I do the same for helicopters.
I know it can be removed. I've filed mine down so it's a push-through instead of a lift-over.

[MAXsenna]

You'll have the same (mil power)range as any other module with afterburner. More than enough for me at least. I do pretty well with AAR. I do the same for helicopters.
I know it can be removed. I've filed mine down so it's a push-through instead of a lift-over.

Course you don't if you stop the range at the detent. I guess I'm missing something. And why even do it if you've have push through?
Oh, well, we all like it different!

EDIT: The Warthog's AB detent sits at about 72 percent of the range. No clue why you're willing to loose 28 percent of the range. So I'm sure I have misunderstood you. A picture might help.


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[Tenkom]

59 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Course you don't if you stop the range at the detent. I guess I'm missing something. And why even do it if you've have push through?
Oh, well, we all like it different!

EDIT: The Warthog's AB detent sits at about 72 percent of the range. No clue why you're willing to loose 28 percent of the range. So I'm sure I have misunderstood you. A picture might help.


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when I fly f.ex. the f16 the throttle range(mil power) is from zero to the AB detent. Anything above that is Afterburner. any precision flying is done in military. So I have the same range, for precision flying, in the f16 and the a-10(where I've put 100% throttle at the AB detent. It works fine for me in F16 and it works fine in the A-10.

The push through zone is far less smooth than the rest of the travel, not a problem for AB since I usually just slam it to the wall when doing anything that requires AB, but if I was to do AAR in the a10 and the resting spot was around the AB-pushthrough spot that would make it very difficult. Same with formation flying of course.

I'm willing to lose 28% of the range because it doesn't bother me at all and I'm too lazy to keep turning around the plastic thing.

[MAXsenna]

when I fly f.ex. the f16 the throttle range(mil power) is from zero to the AB detent. Anything above that is Afterburner. any precision flying is done in military. So I have the same range, for precision flying, in the f16 and the a-10(where I've put 100% throttle at the AB detent. It works fine for me in F16 and it works fine in the A-10.
The push through zone is far less smooth than the rest of the travel, not a problem for AB since I usually just slam it to the wall when doing anything that requires AB, but if I was to do AAR in the a10 and the resting spot was around the AB-pushthrough spot that would make it very difficult. Same with formation flying of course.
I'm willing to lose 28% of the range because it doesn't bother me at all and I'm too lazy to keep turning around the plastic thing.

I see. Well, you do you!

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[Avio]

Two questions :-

1) In the real jet, is there a physical afterburner detent in the throttle?

2) I set the loud AB sound to ON, but found it generally it sounded quite muted compared to the engine and blower sounds. Is it obvious in the real jet when AB is entered?

 

[strikeeagle]

On 9/24/2023 at 11:22 PM, Avio said:

Two questions :-

1) In the real jet, is there a physical afterburner detent in the throttle?

2) I set the loud AB sound to ON, but found it generally it sounded quite muted compared to the engine and blower sounds. Is it obvious in the real jet when AB is entered?

 

There is the idle stop and mil power detent.  In reality, you really can’t hear the airplane in burner in flight.  The crew can feel the burner segments light off.

[Avio]

7 hours ago, strikeeagle said:

There is the idle stop and mil power detent.  In reality, you really can’t hear the airplane in burner in flight.  The crew can feel the burner segments light off.

So for the mil / AB detent, is it just a “click” through, or must the throttles be lifted to bump over the detent?

 

[strikeeagle]

42 minutes ago, Avio said:

So for the mil / AB detent, is it just a “click” through, or must the throttles be lifted to bump over the detent?

 

Just push through.  After that you can feel the “kick” as the individual segments light off.