missing info Need SSAA!

[gonchangye]

MSAA is wrong!

[NineLine]

I dont know what you are saying here. I cannot tell anything by these screenshots. Please give a more detailed report with in-game screenshots, tracks etc. 

[gonchangye]

1小时前，NineLine说：

I dont know what you are saying here. I cannot tell anything by these screenshots. Please give a more detailed report with in-game screenshots, tracks etc. 

2.9 Antialiasing Poor effect，Because 32" 1080P，But 2.8 SSAA very good，I need SSAA.

[SickSidewinder9]

I think I'm going crazy, but all the MFD/LED/Lamp light text in the cockpits looks terrible, and I think it's related to this.  Changing AA settings in-game and in Nvidia Control Panel doesn't effect it.  Nor does sharpness.  I have a 1080ti so no DLSS for me.  Sad Panda.  But something is wrong with the text.

I have a attached several screen shots.  You can see than when I zoom in, it gets better, but at my regular zoom level, it looks awful.  Illegible, actually.  I was driving myself crazy changing settings, but I don't think it's that. 

Important detail:  I am running 1440p.  I am aware I have the GUI scale set to 1.5.  Setting it back to 1 didn't help, but it did make everything look tiny so I set it back to 1.5.  If anything, forcing more AA on in the Nvidia control panel actually may have helped, so I think the OP may be on to something when he says it's the type of AA that matters, but I really have no idea.  I suppose I could try DSR and see if that works, but I'm already not getting the performance boost I hoped for.  In fact, it might be slightly worse right now.  That may be a Syria map problem, though.

3rd screenshot is the zoomed one.

Attached:

Edited October 20, 2023 by SickSidewinder9
clarity

[Rudel_chw]

I have an older GPU too (a gtx 1070TI) and also my display is at 1440p .. I tried all AA options available for my card, and this one was the one that gave the best results on my hardware:

 

 

Here is a screen of a mission at the Nevada map, where the performance is totally acceptable for me and the detail level is enough to properly read the displays:

 

 

You can try my settings to see how they perform with your rigs.

Best regards,

 

Eduardo

[gonchangye]

20分钟前，SickSidewinder9说：

I think I'm going crazy, but all the MFD/LED/Lamp light text in the cockpits looks terrible, and I think it's related to this.  Changing AA settings in-game and in Nvidia Control Panel doesn't effect it.  Nor does sharpness.  I have a 1080ti so no DLSS for me.  Sad Panda.  But something is wrong with the text.

I have a attached several screen shots.  You can see than when I zoom in, it gets better, but at my regular zoom level, it looks awful.  Illegible, actually.  I was driving myself crazy changing settings, but I don't think it's that. 

Important detail:  I am running 1440p.  I am aware I have the GUI scale set to 1.5.  Setting it back to 1 didn't help, but it did make everything look tiny so I set it back to 1.5.  If anything, forcing more AA on in the Nvidia control panel actually may have helped, so I think the OP may be on to something when he says it's the type of AA that matters, but I really have no idea.  I suppose I could try DSR and see if that works, but I'm already not getting the performance boost I hoped for.  In fact, it might be slightly worse right now.  That may be a Syria map problem, though.

3rd screenshot is the zoomed one.

Attached:

 

Not only UI，Everyting AA is broken，Even Ultra，I need SSAA.

[rwbishUP]

I can't get past the ghosting issue, it's terrible, when I move or move a control, it looks like I've ate an entire bag of shrooms!

Edited October 21, 2023 by rwbishUP

[NineLine]

7 hours ago, SickSidewinder9 said:

I think I'm going crazy, but all the MFD/LED/Lamp light text in the cockpits looks terrible, and I think it's related to this.  Changing AA settings in-game and in Nvidia Control Panel doesn't effect it.  Nor does sharpness.  I have a 1080ti so no DLSS for me.  Sad Panda.  But something is wrong with the text.

I have a attached several screen shots.  You can see than when I zoom in, it gets better, but at my regular zoom level, it looks awful.  Illegible, actually.  I was driving myself crazy changing settings, but I don't think it's that. 

Important detail:  I am running 1440p.  I am aware I have the GUI scale set to 1.5.  Setting it back to 1 didn't help, but it did make everything look tiny so I set it back to 1.5.  If anything, forcing more AA on in the Nvidia control panel actually may have helped, so I think the OP may be on to something when he says it's the type of AA that matters, but I really have no idea.  I suppose I could try DSR and see if that works, but I'm already not getting the performance boost I hoped for.  In fact, it might be slightly worse right now.  That may be a Syria map problem, though.

3rd screenshot is the zoomed one.

Attached:

 

As suggested, I would try FSR if you cant use other options. 

[SickSidewinder9]

I do not have that available.  Which is odd, since a previous poster said they had it with a 1070ti, and I have a 1080ti.  I'll have to check again.

Between this and a new ticking on my mountain bike, I think I might be losing my mind.  Then again, other people have this same problem, so maybe I'm not crazy?  Well, not for this reason.

[SickSidewinder9]

17 hours ago, NineLine said:

As suggested, I would try FSR if you cant use other options. 

Just double checked, and I cannot select FSR.  I can use DSR in the Nvidia control panel, but no FSR in-game.  1080ti.  Need any other info?  Only MSAA available for AA.

Edited October 22, 2023 by SickSidewinder9

[Rudel_chw]

23 minutes ago, SickSidewinder9 said:

Just double checked, and I cannot select FSR.  I can use DSR in the Nvidia control panel, but no FSR in-game. 

select TAA as antialiasing first, then you can select FSR.

[SickSidewinder9]

22 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

select TAA as antialiasing first, then you can select FSR.

It is also grayed out for me.  Can't select it.

[NineLine]

4 hours ago, SickSidewinder9 said:

It is also grayed out for me.  Can't select it.

Are you using the Multithreading version? You need to be running Multithreaded for those options. 

[Flappie]

8 hours ago, SickSidewinder9 said:

It is also grayed out for me.  Can't select it.

In order to get DLSS (ingame, "DLAA") to work in DCS:

1. Your GPU must be a NVIDIA RTX card (2000, 3000 or 4000 series).
2. Your GPU driver version must be recent (say, above 500).
3. You must run DCS Multithreaded ("MT") version.
4. If all of the above is OK and you still see greyed out "DLAA" in DCS graphic options, try this:

• Run regedit.
• Browse to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\GraphicsDrivers".
• See if it contains a "TDRLevel" key: if it does, delete this key then reboot your PC.

[SickSidewinder9]

11 hours ago, NineLine said:

Are you using the Multithreading version? You need to be running Multithreaded for those options. 

I should be.  It MT beta is selected in Steam.  Is there another way I can verify while in-game?

7 hours ago, Flappie said:

In order to get DLSS (ingame, "DLAA") to work in DCS:

1. Your GPU must be a NVIDIA RTX card (2000, 3000 or 4000 series).
2. Your GPU driver version must be recent (say, above 500).
3. You must run DCS Multithreaded ("MT") version.
4. If all of the above is OK and you still see greyed out "DLAA" in DCS graphic options, try this:

• Run regedit.
• Browse to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\GraphicsDrivers".
• See if it contains a "TDRLevel" key: if it does, delete this key then reboot your PC.

I will verify MT then see about that regedit.

 

 

 

Edit to add:  Ok, that's weird.  If I launch the game from the exe in the bin-MT folder I now have those options.  Have I not been using MT all this time?  I may have messed it up once recently running it from bin, did that change it?  Like I said, I am losing my mind over small details.

Edited October 22, 2023 by SickSidewinder9

[rob10]

Just now, SickSidewinder9 said:

I should be.  It MT beta is selected in Steam.  Is there another way I can verify while in-game?

I don't use Steam so I can't explain this perfectly, but apparently with 2.9 you may need to launch it slightly differently to get MT (do a search for details).

To see if you're on MT, look at the bottom right of the menu screen and it should say MT PREVIEW before the version #.  If it doesn't, you're on ST.

[SickSidewinder9]

1 minute ago, rob10 said:

I don't use Steam so I can't explain this perfectly, but apparently with 2.9 you may need to launch it slightly differently to get MT (do a search for details).

To see if you're on MT, look at the bottom right of the menu screen and it should say MT PREVIEW before the version #.  If it doesn't, you're on ST.

see edit above

Ok, got it on.  Now things look blurrier, but the lettering still kinda sucks

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[rob10]

10 minutes ago, SickSidewinder9 said:

Edit to add:  Ok, that's weird.  If I launch the game from the exe in the bin-MT folder I now have those options.  Have I not been using MT all this time?  I may have messed it up once recently running it from bin, did that change it?  Like I said, I am losing my mind over small details.

I don't use Steam so I can't answer definitively, but from what I've read this was a change in 2.9 so where you would previously have gotten MT on launch you now get ST.  My wild ass guess would be it somehow relates to the fact that the standalone desktop shortcut now points to MT rather than ST.

[SickSidewinder9]

DSR on 50% sharpening.  Too much soft focus without sharpening.  Lamps with text still look awful:

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[SickSidewinder9]

Even with additional AA from Nvidia Control panel and messing with the scaling and sharpening, there's nothing I can do to not make the cockpit lamp or mfd text not look like garbage.  I can make everything else blurry or too sharp, and maybe FSR helps a bit, but that's it.  Something is wrong with the graphics engine.

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You can even see it if you look closely at the parking brake handle in the Hornet.  It looks jagged:

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[SickSidewinder9]

FSR scaling max, no sharpening:

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[SickSidewinder9]

.33 sharpening so stuff isn't blurry:

nullthe graphics in the cockpit are kinda ruined for me.

[gonchangye]

7小时前，SickSidewinder9说：

DSR on 50% sharpening.  Too much soft focus without sharpening.  Lamps with text still look awful:

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Try 2K(2560X1440)

[SickSidewinder9]

1 hour ago, gonchangye said:

Try 2K(2560X1440)

That's what I'm running, I think.  I have a 1440p G-sync gaming monitor with some of its own sharpening and it's 16:9.  144Hz, allegedly.  Or would be if I got anywhere near that FPS, lol.

I changed the shortcut on my desktop to make sure I'm always launching the MT version.

Edited October 23, 2023 by SickSidewinder9

[SickSidewinder9]

Sooooooooo, all upscaling does for me is make things in the cockpit look blurry, while the original problem still remains.  This is all very disappointing

So far the most noticeable thing I've gotten in 2.9 is crappy text in my cockpits.  Nothing else really works as advertised either.