need track replay AI Super Ace BFM?

[mytai01]

I've been flying BFM recently, and it seems like the AI is practically unbeatable on any setting (rookie to ace). Is there something wrong with it?

[NAM]

I done BFM quite often in F14..  It has been a while since flying other aircraft.

In Tomcat F14b.. I have not problem against Ace Mig21/Mig29/F18/F16, with label off and no droping landing flap.

Although due to lack of gunnery skill.. most of my wins Ai crashed running out of fuel.

[TheFreshPrince]

Since one of the last updates, the AI seems to start infinite loops again where it's climbing higher and higher and you have no chance to follow (because it's flight model is much more superior), but it's also not attacking. It is a shame because after 2.7 or 2.8 the AI was really fun to play against and behaved more like a real pilot, as was also demonstrated in a GS video. But somehow these changes were disregarded completely. 

Edited December 20, 2023 by TheFreshPrince

[Gierasimov]

What aircraft were you you fighting against @mytai01?

I just tried in Hornet against Hornet, Fulcrum A, Flanker D, Mirage F-1. ALL SET TO ACE (I remember ED mentioning new BFM logic on Ace only) Guns only each time. NO other assets (AWACS /EWR) and Fulcrum disengaged when I went behind the hill, but re-committed once I painted him with the radar, had to set F1 to keep its gun pods on but other then that it is 4:0 for me. I fly BFM often and since the DCS 2.8.0.32066 Open Beta (28.10.2022) I have never witnessed infinite loops that @TheFreshPrince mentioned. 

Maybe this is with relation to specific aircraft? 

[TheFreshPrince]

Try against F16, F14 with some altitude over flat terrain. BFM at low altitude in the hills makes them fly evasively so they can't gain the altitude. I can provide tracks if necessary, but so far I don't see any interest from ED in this topic (work in progress I guess). 

See also 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by TheFreshPrince

[BIGNEWY]

General Flight Model (GFM) continues to be tweaked however if you are seeing an issue its best to attach a short as possible track replay example showing the problem

thank you

[mytai01]

I was flying the F-16C vs AI MiG-21. I tried setting the AI pilot from Rookie to Ace and I didn't see any difference. The thing was flying like a rocket!

[Doc3908]

On 12/20/2023 at 4:23 AM, TheFreshPrince said:

Since one of the last updates, the AI seems to start infinite loops again where it's climbing higher and higher and you have no chance to follow (because it's flight model is much more superior), but it's also not attacking. It is a shame because after 2.7 or 2.8 the AI was really fun to play against and behaved more like a real pilot, as was also demonstrated in a GS video. But somehow these changes were disregarded completely. 

 

You summed up what I was going to type: It's not so much that the enemy AI aircraft do loops - they simply fly circles higher and higher and higher without loosing any energy. And, yes, they  hardly ever engage  even when they are in a perfect firing position. That and the infinite chaff and flares, which they continually dispense, has made flying against AI a waste of time for me. And since I don't really enjoy online play, I have pretty much stayed away from DCS for almost a year now. Every now and then, I get the itch, but as soon as I play one round against the AI, I lose interest. I hope ED can bring back whatever enemy AI model they were using back in 2.7, because that was actually a lot of fun to fly against. 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

On 12/28/2023 at 12:51 PM, BIGNEWY said:

General Flight Model (GFM) continues to be tweaked

That's great but doesn't really help us until the GFM is released to the public, which will hopefully be this year (since it was supposed to be released in 2022 according to the initial announcement).

[BIGNEWY]

2 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

That's great but doesn't really help us until the GFM is released to the public, which will hopefully be this year (since it was supposed to be released in 2022 according to the initial announcement).

if its not ready it wont be released, when it is we will release it. That is all I can say, we all have to remain patient, there is no other choice. 

thank you