Fitzcarraldo Posted January 29 Posted January 29 How would the R-27P be used in combat? What are the intended targets?
draconus Posted January 29 Posted January 29 52 minutes ago, Fitzcarraldo said: How would the R-27P be used in combat? What are the intended targets? It's a dream about missile homing onto enemy airborne radars on fighters or AWACS. 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Fitzcarraldo Posted January 29 Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, draconus said: It's a dream about missile homing onto enemy airborne radars on fighters or AWACS. Seems stupid. I love it! 1
kotor633 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) Hi, regarding Mig-29 & R-27T I found the following statement: "There is no nitrogen tank in the inner main pylon, so the R-27T is not applicable for the MiG-29. The R-27T is only avaiable for the Su-27 and this caused a misunderstand in West. The MiG-29 only able to carry IR missile at the inner position, if it is an R-73, with its own pylon, like the two external ones. So the MiG-29 could carry six R-73, or four R-73 and two R-27R (and the R-60M as an early alternative for the R-73). The IR guided R-27T is not available for the MiG-29." Is that correct? Edited January 30 by kotor633 ************************************** DCS World needs the Panavia Tornado! Really! **************************************
AeriaGloria Posted January 31 Posted January 31 18 hours ago, kotor633 said: Hi, regarding Mig-29 & R-27T I found the following statement: "There is no nitrogen tank in the inner main pylon, so the R-27T is not applicable for the MiG-29. The R-27T is only avaiable for the Su-27 and this caused a misunderstand in West. The MiG-29 only able to carry IR missile at the inner position, if it is an R-73, with its own pylon, like the two external ones. So the MiG-29 could carry six R-73, or four R-73 and two R-27R (and the R-60M as an early alternative for the R-73). The IR guided R-27T is not available for the MiG-29." Is that correct? I had always read the APU-470 carried nitrogen for it. Perhaps there are versions of it, or perhaps the nitrogen is just not in it when not needed leading to misunderstandings Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
okopanja Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 minute ago, AeriaGloria said: I had always read the APU-470 carried nitrogen for it. Perhaps there are versions of it, or perhaps the nitrogen is just not in it when not needed leading to misunderstandings Its a bottle that can be inserted. Depends on ground crew and loadout. 1
kotor633 Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Thanks for the feedback, but that still doesn't disprove the statement that "the IR guided R-27T is not available for the MiG-29". Because your text also mentions the Su-27. ************************************** DCS World needs the Panavia Tornado! Really! **************************************
okopanja Posted January 31 Posted January 31 30 minutes ago, kotor633 said: Thanks for the feedback, but that still doesn't disprove the statement that "the IR guided R-27T is not available for the MiG-29". Because your text also mentions the Su-27. There is a large difference between knowing and believing.
F-2 Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) Can’t we check the manuals? the SMT can carry it, I’ll have to look at the base jet Edited January 31 by F-2
okopanja Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) 23 minutes ago, F-2 said: Can’t we check the manuals? the SMT can carry it, I’ll have to look at the base jet Let's end this. These 2 lines prove the point. Edited January 31 by okopanja 1
TotenDead Posted January 31 Posted January 31 2 часа назад, okopanja сказал: Let's end this. These 2 lines prove the point. Little foggy in your room, I suppose 3
okopanja Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, TotenDead said: Little foggy in your room, I suppose Yes for people who appreciate both 29 and humour. 1
AeriaGloria Posted January 31 Posted January 31 5 hours ago, F-2 said: Can’t we check the manuals? the SMT can carry it, I’ll have to look at the base jet I have a MiG-29 9.12/9.13/9.12-13S manual saying the S model can carry the T/ET. It is a pylon, it is the same between Flanker and Fulcrum. I’m sure it’s just about what it’s programmed to “see” 1 2 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
kotor633 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 vor 17 Stunden schrieb F-2: Can’t we check the manuals? the SMT can carry it, I’ll have to look at the base jet This thread is about the Mig-29A. But since the Mig-29SMT is mentioned here: I found this link. I personally find it very informative, perhaps it will interest one or two people too. It's just a shame that in DCS we can only dream of this armament for the upcoming FF A version... And regarding the R-27 T version: Then I don't have a bad conscience if I use it on the Mig-29A: http://www.csla.cz/technika/letouny/mig29.htm "Z protiletecké raketové výzbroje byly v našem letectvu požívána radiolokačně naváděné střely R-27R a infračervené R-27T, R-60, R-60M a R-73." 1 ************************************** DCS World needs the Panavia Tornado! Really! **************************************
Seaeagle Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 1/30/2025 at 2:26 PM, kotor633 said: Hi, regarding Mig-29 & R-27T I found the following statement: "There is no nitrogen tank in the inner main pylon, so the R-27T is not applicable for the MiG-29. The R-27T is only avaiable for the Su-27 and this caused a misunderstand in West. The MiG-29 only able to carry IR missile at the inner position, if it is an R-73, with its own pylon, like the two external ones. So the MiG-29 could carry six R-73, or four R-73 and two R-27R (and the R-60M as an early alternative for the R-73). The IR guided R-27T is not available for the MiG-29." Is that correct? Not quite. There are two launchers available for the R-27 range of missiles - the APU-470 rail launcher and the AKU-470 ejector rack. The AKU-470 ejector rack is only compatible with the radar guided variants of the R-27(-R and -ER) and therefore has no coolant bottles for the IR variants - it is used for launching the radar guided R-27R/ER missiles from fuselage stations on the Su-27. The APU-470 rail launcher is compatible with both the IR and radar guided variants of the R-27 missiles and has coolant for the IR ones - it is used on wing stations on the Su-27 and MiG-29. It can only be used on inner wing statons on both the Su-27 and MiG-29. The launcher is detatchable and only forms part of the "pylon"(which also comprise wing adaptors on which the launcher is attached). So as AeriaGloria said, the APU-470 rail launcher itself does not preclude use of the R-27T, as its compatible with this as well as the R-27R - rather it has to do with what weapons the aircraft's weapon control system is set up to use 6 hours ago, kotor633 said: And regarding the R-27 T version: Then I don't have a bad conscience if I use it on the Mig-29A: http://www.csla.cz/technika/letouny/mig29.htm "Z protiletecké raketové výzbroje byly v našem letectvu požívána radiolokačně naváděné střely R-27R a infračervené R-27T, R-60, R-60M a R-73." Perhaps you should . The source you quoted also states that the two-seat MiG-29UB can use the same range of weapons as the single seat MiG-29. But the -UB doesn't have a radar and therefore obviously cannot employ the radar guided R-27R(although it has means to simulate it in order to train pilots for the single-seat MiG-29). On 1/31/2025 at 6:26 PM, F-2 said: Can’t we check the manuals? the SMT can carry it, I’ll have to look at the base jet The -SMT has an entirely diffferent WCS and can employ all sorts of weapons that aren't compatible with the baseline MiG-29. 1
kotor633 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 Hi, I am currently reading "The Russian Philosophy of Beyond Visual Range Air Combat" with great interest. The following paragraph caught my attention: "By the 1970s the standard Soviettechnique in a BVR missile launch was to salvo two rounds, a semi-active radar homing weapon and a heatseeking weapon. To this effect some Soviet fighters even included a weapons select modewhich automatically sequenced the launch of two rounds for optimal separation." I wonder if this mode will be available in the upcoming FF Mig-29A? Did the Mig-29s even have this mode? Or was it more common in the Sukhois? ************************************** DCS World needs the Panavia Tornado! Really! **************************************
AeriaGloria Posted March 9 Posted March 9 On 3/8/2025 at 9:28 AM, kotor633 said: Hi, I am currently reading "The Russian Philosophy of Beyond Visual Range Air Combat" with great interest. The following paragraph caught my attention: "By the 1970s the standard Soviettechnique in a BVR missile launch was to salvo two rounds, a semi-active radar homing weapon and a heatseeking weapon. To this effect some Soviet fighters even included a weapons select modewhich automatically sequenced the launch of two rounds for optimal separation." I wonder if this mode will be available in the upcoming FF Mig-29A? Did the Mig-29s even have this mode? Or was it more common in the Sukhois? It is mistake. Both MiG-29 and Su-27 have a switch that allows single missile launch and salvo. What you’re reading seems to imply that it will fire one of each type, but it would fire 2x of what you have selected. The manual also says it is up to the pilot to wait a set amount of time after firing a missile before firing an IR missile, depending on how long the motor burns. It also takes some time for the “missile preparation” when switching weapons. 1 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Dragon1-1 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 1/29/2025 at 1:50 PM, draconus said: It's a dream about missile homing onto enemy airborne radars on fighters or AWACS. The idea was basically a Shrike for fighter radars. Not stupid or even particularly hard to do in itself, but R-27P doesn't have enough range for an AWACS killer (EP would've been better, but not by that much), and against fighters, the P would've been easy to trash by just turning cold for a while. It could work for tail warning radars on bombers and the like, but this would be a niche use. It's also worth noting that passive homing doesn't give you range, which means it'd have to guide on azimuth and altitude only, reducing range and PK. In the end, the ER version is just far more practical.
SOLIDKREATE Posted April 14 Posted April 14 (edited) As long as I can do this, I'm good =o) Iran - Iraq war mission I made. September 15, 1986. Splash one MiG-23 with R60. (yes, I used all four, lol) Edited April 14 by SOLIDKREATE AVIONICS: ASUS BTF TUF MB, INTEL i9 RAPTORLAKE 24 CORE, 48GB PATRIOT VIPER TUF 6600MHz, 16GB ASUS TUF RTX 4070ti SUPER, ASUS TUF 1000w PSU CONTROLS: LOGI X-56 RHINO HOTAS, LOGI PRO RUDDER PEDALS, LOGI G733 LIGHTSPEED MAIN BIRDS: F/A-18C, MIRAGE F1
F-2 Posted May 17 Posted May 17 Hey North Korea decided to celibate DCS MIG-29 with something we might find interesting
pepin1234 Posted May 17 Author Posted May 17 The Pre order announcement just tell the MiG-29A is also armed with medium-range radar-guided missiles no mention a single variant of R-27 missiles [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
okopanja Posted May 17 Posted May 17 47 minutes ago, pepin1234 said: The Pre order announcement just tell the MiG-29A is also armed with medium-range radar-guided missiles no mention a single variant of R-27 missiles R-60M/R-73/R-27ER in video
opps Posted May 17 Posted May 17 It's strange that no weapon list was provided with preorder announcement.
okopanja Posted May 17 Posted May 17 4 minutes ago, opps said: It's strange that no weapon list was provided with preorder announcement. The ground weapons were limited for the 9.12a and 9.12b: they were not true multi role. It included a small selection of bombs, unguided rockets and cluster ammo. Later upgrades to the same airframes did bring more. E.g. Kh-31p null
pepin1234 Posted May 17 Author Posted May 17 1 hour ago, okopanja said: R-60M/R-73/R-27ER in video there are about 8 variants for R-27 family [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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