DCS for linux?

[Mud]

Slackware Linux user here for everything non-gaming.
Gaming I still do on Windows mainly because of the ability to modify GPU core voltage there, which Nvidia has not allowed/enabled yet in Linux afaik.

Mud

[MAXsenna]

Exactly... I think people forget how many moving parts are out there... it not only DCS itself, but all HW drivers, tools, applications... whole ecosystem....

Spot on! Even if MS put bread and butter on my table daily, I'd probably switch to Linux immediately, if the experience was the same. It's not, by far. And I'm just too lazy to waste my free time bothering, and Windows don't give me any real headaches as of now. So....

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[NAM]

1 hour ago, unlikely_spider said:

As much as I agree with you about Windows, I have been hearing "This is the year of Linux" every year since 2010. Has its market share increased measurably in the last decade?

I think, this time going to be different.. With the backing of Valve, release of SteamOS that running on popular steam dect for PC.. coming this year.

 

Edited March 19 by NAM

[Actium]

14 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

Has its market share increased measurably in the last decade?

It has, albeit at a low level. See the monthly steam user survey. With most Windows users being thoroughly vendor-locked and also not giving a damn about privacy (most people use Edge or Chrome, signed into personal accounts), I doubt this will change in the foreseeable, but it shouldn't shy the enthusiasts away from breaking it off with Windows.

[SharpeXB]

4 hours ago, Actium said:

With most Windows users being thoroughly vendor-locked and also not giving a damn about privacy (most people use Edge or Chrome, signed into personal accounts)

Most users have nothing to hide about their online activity. I can only speculate why this is so worrying to some people Personal accounts are still secure regardless or at least as much as you can expect about anything online. 

4 hours ago, Actium said:

It has, albeit at a low level.

It’s been sub 2% for eons. No chance unless somehow this compatibility is a near zero cost effort.

17 hours ago, NAM said:

With the backing of Valve, release of SteamOS that running on popular steam dect for PC.. coming this year.

This looks like it would basically make your PC into a game console, not something that would replace Windows. Most people want their machine to do things besides just play games. 

[Daemoc]

41 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Most users have nothing to hide about their online activity. I can only speculate why this is so worrying to some people Personal accounts are still secure regardless or at least as much as you can expect about anything online. 

It’s been sub 2% for eons. No chance unless somehow this compatibility is a near zero cost effort.

This looks like it would basically make your PC into a game console, not something that would replace Windows. Most people want their machine to do things besides just play games. 

Right.

A persons will to have their privacy respected is because they have something to hide. I suppose you would not mind microsoft filling your home with microphones and cameras either then? I mean, you have nothing to hide right. They are only going to use that information to better serve you as advertisers will know better what to sell you. Sounds like a win for everyone.

It amazes me that people will gladly pay for that privilege. Some people like to be bent over I guess.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. You do you.

Anyway, back on topic. I don't necessarily need Linux "support", but it would be nice if they made an attempt to keep it proton friendly going forward.

[SharpeXB]

18 minutes ago, Daemoc said:

I suppose you would not mind microsoft filling your home with microphones and cameras either then?

Except they don’t literally do that. Paranoid much?

18 minutes ago, Daemoc said:

They are only going to use that information to better serve you as advertisers will know better what to sell you.

And you can just turn that off if you like.

18 minutes ago, Daemoc said:

it would be nice if they made an attempt to keep it proton friendly going forward.

Again the number of people who would actually use this is so small it hardly seems worthwhile. I’d rather ED keep its limited resources focused on features that the majority of players will actually benefit from. Chasing a sub 2% market looks like a waste of time and money.

Edited March 20 by SharpeXB

[skypickle]

1 minute ago, SharpeXB said:

 

Again the number of people who would actually use this is so small it hardly seems worthwhile. I’d rather ED keep its limited resources focused on features that the majority of players will actually benefit from. Chasing a sub 2% market looks like a waste.

Linux is growing. Win 11 is stagnant. The computer literacy of dcs players is way above the average. MY prediction is that most dcs servers would switch to linux the week it became available.  Many DCS clients would switch as well to bypass the incessant crashes to desktop that the some of thirty year old code in DCS is likely responsible for. Alot of Eagle Dynamics' revenue requires putting out 'new shiny' - like airframes and maps (that are incomplete) and that is where they are putting their resources. They should consider a linux branch as 'insurance' for when windows gets pwned in a big way by chinese hacking wolfpacks. Security is on everyone's mind. Why do you think Alphabet spent 37 billion buying WIZ, a computer security firm for a multiple of its valuation?

[skypickle]

19 hours ago, Mud said:

Slackware Linux user here for everything non-gaming.
Gaming I still do on Windows mainly because of the ability to modify GPU core voltage there, which Nvidia has not allowed/enabled yet in Linux afaik.

Mud

Isnt this a bios tweak? before the OS gets loaded.

[Mud]

2 minutes ago, skypickle said:

Isnt this a bios tweak? before the OS gets loaded.

For CPU's, yes. Not for GPU's.

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, skypickle said:

Linux is growing.

It’s not. Thinking this is just delusional, so it grew from like .5% to 1.8% over six years according to that link above And ED doesn’t set the market, they just follow it. If DCS had a large enough customer base to make this compatibility worthwhile they’d do it. But I can’t fathom there are enough to make this feasible. 

1 hour ago, skypickle said:

Many DCS clients would switch as well

Except they wouldn’t because most people want their PC to do more than just run a tiny selection of software and games. 

1 hour ago, skypickle said:

to bypass the incessant crashes to desktop that the some of thirty year old code in DCS is likely responsible for.

What crashes? I don’t have incessant crashes. Sounds like a hardware problem and not Windows. Also Linux would be vastly more problematic to troubleshoot or support since there are many less people who understand and use it.

1 hour ago, skypickle said:

They should consider a linux branch as 'insurance' for when windows gets pwned in a big way by chinese hacking wolfpacks.

More delusional paranoia  

Also it’s “Linux” with a capital L. If you’re going to be such a fan at least write the name correctly.

Edited March 20 by SharpeXB

[cfrag]

2 hours ago, skypickle said:

Linux is growing. Win 11 is stagnant.

Yes, and I think you know that you are being willfully obscure here. There is no meaningful growth in the Linux share, so even if Win is not growing, at the current growth rate it will take over a decade of Linux growth to reach parity with Win in desktop gaming. You know that. And you are also conveniently overlooking the fact that Linux is hopelessly fragmented, a veritable user hell. Finding the correct driver for a device that works for your distro is hell, the experience is not ready for prime time.

2 hours ago, skypickle said:

Many DCS clients would switch as well to bypass the incessant crashes to desktop that the some of thirty year old code in DCS is likely responsible for.

You are making two gigantic assumptions here that IMHO are completely unwarranted. First, you assume that the code in DCS for Linux would not be the decrepit old code that now is in windows. What makes you say that? If true, that Linux version would be based on a completely re-engineered core. That is not going to happen. And most DCS clients also are connected to very, very specific hardware. Just the thought of getting my WinWing controllers and VR work in Linux makes me wake up at night, covered in sweat. No, no matter what distro you are talking about, few players would even think about going through that kind of hassle to change something that already works. 

2 hours ago, skypickle said:

They should consider a linux branch as 'insurance' for when windows gets pwned in a big way by chinese hacking wolfpacks.

That's a non-sequitur. Investing in a non-profitable (DCS is free, remember, so developing a Linux kernel for that remove event does not bring a single cent of additional revenue), exceedingly expensive insurance (that greedily gobbles up maintenance over time) is a surefire way to go out of business. Let MS worry about their own problems, and keep your contingency plans to a scope that you can control. If Windows goes under because of Chinese Hackers, there are bigger fish to fry.

Yeah, I'd love to see a Linux version of DCS. And let's try and be clear-eyed about the world we live in.

Edited March 20 by cfrag

[Hammer1-1]

4 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Most users have nothing to hide about their online activity. I can only speculate why this is so worrying to some people Personal accounts are still secure regardless or at least as much as you can expect about anything online. 

You ever watch or read Jack Reacher? A lot of us dont like being tracked and certainly not spied on. The government should not have a vested interest in my hobbies and it signifies a problem that the rest of the world is starting to ignore: stay out of peoples business. Politics is getting violent nowadays.

[SharpeXB]

6 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

You ever watch or read Jack Reacher? A lot of us dont like being tracked and certainly not spied on. The government should not have a vested interest in my hobbies and it signifies a problem that the rest of the world is starting to ignore: stay out of peoples business. Politics is getting violent nowadays.

Don’t you think that’s a little farfetched? Just stay off your computer or the internet if you’re so worried about this stuff. But such paranoia isn’t something for ED to worry about. If 98% of their customers are using Windows then that’s what the game is going to run on. If you don’t like that don’t play the game. 

[Hammer1-1]

20 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Don’t you think that’s a little farfetched? Just stay off your computer or the internet if you’re so worried about this stuff. But such paranoia isn’t something for ED to worry about. If 98% of their customers are using Windows then that’s what the game is going to run on. If you don’t like that don’t play the game. 

I dont think you understand: its the principle, not the act of. If you had ANY idea of how intrusive Windows 11 is, I think (actually hope) that you would be shocked. IF you dont fight for your rights, you wont have any. Let that stir in your head and dont bother replying to it. Just stop with the argument because you arent going to convince anyone.

Edited March 20 by Hammer1-1

[Actium]

5 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Most users have nothing to hide about their online activity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, Hammer1-1 said:

I dont think you understand: its the principle, not the act of. If you had ANY idea of how intrusive Windows 11 is, I think (actually hope) that you would be shocked. IF you dont fight for your rights, you wont have any. Let that stir in your head and dont bother replying to it. Just stop with the argument because you arent going to convince anyone.

If it bothers you so much don’t use Windows and don’t play DCS

28 minutes ago, Actium said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

Again, If you’re so worried, then don’t use Windows. Solved. 

[Hammer1-1]

8 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

If it bothers you so much don’t use Windows and don’t play DCS

Again, If you’re so worried, then don’t use Windows. Solved. 

We get it: you love Windows. Fk other peoples rights, right? You really have to mock those who would rather not be surveilled rather than accept the fact that we should have it both ways? You can laugh all you want; your best off doing it silently because all you're doing is making yourself look ignorant. Seems like you're really good at that. Tsetse fly, buzz.

Edited March 20 by Hammer1-1

[unlikely_spider]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

Don’t you think that’s a little farfetched? Just stay off your computer or the internet if you’re so worried about this stuff. But such paranoia isn’t something for ED to worry about. If 98% of their customers are using Windows then that’s what the game is going to run on. If you don’t like that don’t play the game. 

I'm not sure that the best response to people who are concerned about privacy issues is "well then just don't use technology". There are valid and legitimate concerns that people have over the use of personal information, even if we "don't have anything to hide".

[SharpeXB]

17 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

We get it: you love Windows.

I could care less about my Operating System. Why some people have such an affliction over this is beyond me. You’re so worried about your computer spying on you? Don’t own one. Solved. No company is going to grant your wish by chasing <2% of the market. 

[Hiob]

@SharpeXB You act like the typical “afraid of change” crowd. Don’t worry, nobody is trying to take something away from you. But having options is actually a good thing. Why do you think that Steam/Valve is heavily pushing Linux, made it the OS for their proprietary hardware and is enabling an ever growing part of their backlog for Linux?

Because Windows is a dead end in the long term. Eventually Microsoft will <profanity> it up so much that it becomes unbearable. And/or will drown it in ads and/or make it a subscription based software (like Office). Not to speak about privacy and safety.

Steam is much, MUCH bigger and more important than DCS, if you haven’t noticed. (No offence, ED!  I love DCS)

[Hammer1-1]

2 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

I could care less about my Operating System.

Ok, so move on. MOVE ON. Its not YOUR opinion, so respect it. Again, mind your own business. You dont like it? Ok. MOVING ON.

[SharpeXB]

24 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

I'm not sure that the best response to people who are concerned about privacy issues is "well then just don't use technology". There are valid and legitimate concerns that people have over the use of personal information, even if we "don't have anything to hide".

[Hammer1-1]

5 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Again, you trust Microsoft. Ok. Good for you. Move on.

meanwhile: https://edri.org/our-work/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/

Edited March 20 by Hammer1-1

[SharpeXB]

5 minutes ago, Hiob said:

Why do you think that Steam/Valve is heavily pushing Linux, made it the OS for their proprietary hardware

The Steam Deck is a handheld console, not a PC. The OS no doubt makes sense for that. A PC needs to do more than just play games though. 

7 minutes ago, Hiob said:

But having options is actually a good thing.

Sure. Call me when Linux has like 30% of the PC market and then is maybe worth the effort. But I severely doubt that will ever happen. 

8 minutes ago, Hiob said:

Because Windows is a dead end in the long term.

Sure… The world’s largest PC OS is going to die. Whatever… 

6 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Again, you trust Microsoft. Ok. Good for you. Move on.

How do you know Linux isn’t spying on you? I’d be more worried about your phone too