RSBN & ARK Still Missing

[artao]

I kinda wish Magnitude 3 would delay the Corsair simply to apply needed updates to the MiG-21bis such as these navigation issues ... Actually that's all I can think of. Then after the Corsair work on a v2. Somehow I don't think many people would mind a delay on the Corsair in exchange for a MiG-21bis navigation update, but then I'm personally indifferent about the Corsair and very interested in the Balalaika.

But that simply remains my wish, if only.

Edited June 29, 2024 by artao

[ESA_maligno]

Do you plan to add RSBN to the missing maps?

[Hiromachi]

Yes. Eventually all of them. Recently I have prepared the nav file for the Sinai. Please try it out and let me know what you think, while I prepare nav data for the remaining maps.

 R_NAV_data_Sinai.lua

[ESA_maligno]

hace 14 horas, Hiromachi dijo:

Yes. Eventually all of them. Recently I have prepared the nav file for the Sinai. Please try it out and let me know what you think, while I prepare nav data for the remaining maps.

  R_NAV_data_Sinai.lua 9.66 kB · 1 descarga

Ok, thx 

[skywalker22]

On 7/13/2024 at 11:05 PM, Hiromachi said:

Yes. Eventually all of them. Recently I have prepared the nav file for the Sinai. Please try it out and let me know what you think, while I prepare nav data for the remaining maps.

  R_NAV_data_Sinai.lua 9.66 kB · 9 downloads

RSBN is not working at all. ARC didn't try it. I went through the file, and all seems to be fine, but it's not working, at least not for me.

I also tried reducing to only few airports, in case if there might have been any code glitch, but still the same, RSBN is not working at all. Really strange.

And btw, you should also create a kneeboard, so we can read from it, now I have to look into lua file 

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Are your files going to be used in DCS?

Edited July 20, 2024 by skywalker22

[Hiromachi]

On 7/20/2024 at 9:13 AM, skywalker22 said:

RSBN is not working at all. ARC didn't try it. I went through the file, and all seems to be fine, but it's not working, at least not for me.

I also tried reducing to only few airports, in case if there might have been any code glitch, but still the same, RSBN is not working at all. Really strange.

And btw, you should also create a kneeboard, so we can read from it, now I have to look into lua file 

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Are your files going to be used in DCS?

 

Did you remember to add the map to the maps table in the R_NAV_data.lua? 

Kneeboard will be created once RSBN is deemed satisfactory for releasing in a module update.

[skywalker22]

9 hours ago, Hiromachi said:

Did you remember to add the map to the maps table in the R_NAV_data.lua? 

Kneeboard will be created once RSBN is deemed satisfactory for releasing in a module update.

Of course, I did add the map's name into R_NAV_data.lua file. That's why its so strange. It works on all other maps, but here (didn't try it in SA though).

[Hiromachi]

Alright. It worked in my tests, but I will discuss this with the team and see where is the problem. Thank you for the feedback!

[LCO489]

7 hours ago, Hiromachi said:

Alright. It worked in my tests, but I will discuss this with the team and see where is the problem. Thank you for the feedback!

 

On 7/13/2024 at 6:05 PM, Hiromachi said:

Yes. Eventually all of them. Recently I have prepared the nav file for the Sinai. Please try it out and let me know what you think, while I prepare nav data for the remaining maps.

  R_NAV_data_Sinai.lua 9.66 kB · 10 downloads

Found the problem. The file sent here is marked as Sinai only, which is the name of the map on its entry.lua. But to work correctly it needs to use the self_id which is SinaiMap.

Take as example the Persian Gulf Map Name "Persian Gulf" and self_id "PersianGulf".

So on the R_NAV_data.lua it should be placed as "SinaiMap" and the R_NAV file info must be named R_NAV_data_SinaiMap.lua too. Also ARK info on this file was still marked as Syria.

Working files attached.

R_NAV_data.lua

R_NAV_data_SinaiMap.lua

Edited July 26, 2024 by LCO489

[skywalker22]

  

5 hours ago, LCO489 said:

 

Found the problem. The file sent here is marked as Sinai only, which is the name of the map on its entry.lua. But to work correctly it needs to use the self_id which is SinaiMap.

Take as example the Persian Gulf Map Name "Persian Gulf" and self_id "PersianGulf".

So on the R_NAV_data.lua it should be placed as "SinaiMap" and the R_NAV file info must be named R_NAV_data_SinaiMap.lua too. Also ARK info on this file was still marked as Syria.

Working files attached.

R_NAV_data.lua 2.33 kB · 0 downloads

R_NAV_data_SinaiMap.lua 9.53 kB · 0 downloads

 

Great found. Thx a lot.

[Volator]

8 hours ago, LCO489 said:

 

Found the problem. The file sent here is marked as Sinai only, which is the name of the map on its entry.lua. But to work correctly it needs to use the self_id which is SinaiMap.

Take as example the Persian Gulf Map Name "Persian Gulf" and self_id "PersianGulf".

So on the R_NAV_data.lua it should be placed as "SinaiMap" and the R_NAV file info must be named R_NAV_data_SinaiMap.lua too. Also ARK info on this file was still marked as Syria.

Working files attached.

R_NAV_data.lua 2.33 kB · 0 downloads

R_NAV_data_SinaiMap.lua 9.53 kB · 0 downloads

 

Nice find, thx! If I put these files into the respective folders, will it pass integrity check for multiplayer?

[skywalker22]

3 hours ago, Volator said:

Nice find, thx! If I put these files into the respective folders, will it pass integrity check for multiplayer?

No. Not yet unfortunatelly. We are trying to make ED and Magnitude to do so.

[skywalker22]

We are still waiting for this issue to be addressed, PLEASE. It's important to navigate with Mig-21 around the maps.

[artao]

On 8/9/2024 at 5:03 PM, skywalker22 said:

We are still waiting for this issue to be addressed, PLEASE. It's important to navigate with Mig-21 around the maps.

!! THANK YOU !! for taking this upon yourselves, you and your team. ED/Magnitude damn well better allow it to pass IC, since Mag3 won't do it themselves and it's pretty essential for "realistic" navigation in the Fishbed.
So irritating that it's seemingly abandoned. <sigh>

Question: So we have to re-edit files with every update, orrrrr .... Not entirely certain what all needs to be done after an update.
I'm hoping it's possible to make a simple JSGME mod to enable after every update. That's what I do with all other mods that go in the base install directory and it works great.

Edited September 3, 2024 by artao
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[hugodm9]

+1, this is really important for the module

[Rudel_chw]

Hello,

I've been testing the files supplied by @Hiromachi with the fix by @LCO489 and they seem to work correctly, although I haven't tested all stations yet.

One detail with the ARC stations that I have, is that I seem unable to tune them while still on the ground, before taking off. Only once on the air I have been able to hear their morse code and have the NPP point to the station ... is this as  intended?

In contrast, the RSBN stations can be tuned and heard while on the ground.

Edited October 29, 2024 by Rudel_chw

[Rudel_chw]

Hello,

I made these diagrams with the approximate location of the ARC and RSBN stations provided on the files of @Hiromachi & @LCO489, maybe they can be helpful to some Mission makers:

 

First, these are the ARC stations that I was able to find:

 

 

 

And for RSBN I've got these:

 

 

 

 

and

 

 

Hopefully this file will be added as standard, to avoid having to employ a user Mod approach.

Best regards,

 

Eduardo

[DragonSoulkin]

Yeah, the fact that this breaks integrity check led to me having to stop running the modified Rnav luas and it's beyond dumb that we STILL don't have a fix implemented or a way to do this that doesn't break integrity check.

[spikef22]

9 hours ago, DragonSoulkin said:

Yeah, the fact that this breaks integrity check led to me having to stop running the modified Rnav luas and it's beyond dumb that we STILL don't have a fix implemented or a way to do this that doesn't break integrity check.

THIS^^^ At this point ED and OnReyTech should just one over this thread and implement the fix.

[Rudel_chw]

7 minutes ago, spikef22 said:

ED and OnReyTech should just one over this thread and implement the fix.

actually, the one that can do that is Magnitude 3, not ED nor ORT.

[Volator]

Well, to be fair, not having RSBN/PRMG on other maps than Caucasus might actually be realistic, because the system was only installed in WP countries to my best knowledge.

Not being able to reprogram the ARC receiver is a more serious thing, because NDB navigation certainly was and is a thing in countries like Egypt or Syria.

[skywalker22]

On 6/28/2024 at 1:36 PM, BIGNEWY said:

I can mention it to the team but I can not make any promises 

thank you 

Thank you, all the maps until then were added. I would now like you to ask the team ones again, to add the latest new maps Afghanistan and Iraq + the most anticipated upcoming map Germany. 

[tn_prvteye]

Bumping this again since Germany is out.  This map is probably the most needed now out of all.  This was the MiG-21's playground in the Cold War.

[DragonSoulkin]

The root problem still remains. STILL, we do not have RSBN/ARK on Kola and Sinai, or Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Germany, WITHOUT BREAKING INTEGRITY CHECK BECAUSE WE HAD TO MAKE THE DAMNED THINGS OURSELVES! So is the MiG-21 just an abandoned module at this point is that what it is? Seems like all that gets done anymore is half baked products that never get finished, not just in DCS but in just about any other game these days.

[LCO489]

5 hours ago, DragonSoulkin said:

The root problem still remains. STILL, we do not have RSBN/ARK on Kola and Sinai, or Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Germany, WITHOUT BREAKING INTEGRITY CHECK BECAUSE WE HAD TO MAKE THE DAMNED THINGS OURSELVES! So is the MiG-21 just an abandoned module at this point is that what it is? Seems like all that gets done anymore is half baked products that never get finished, not just in DCS but in just about any other game these days.

I can only hope they release the Corsair this year so they get a boost and could focus on the Mig a little. Not even want them to touch the Crusader.

Edited April 20 by LCO489