investigating F-16 Pilot Model Feedback

[Viper33]

Basically, looks like ED copied over the Hornet helmet to the Viper. For USAF there should not be a velcro patch on the top of the helmet. Would also be neat to have the JHMCS cable modelled from the back of the helmet. Also be cool to change that blue felt patch above the visor as that's usually now how it looks. Other than that mostly a great improvement to the Viper.

 

[BIGNEWY]

Hi, 

checked with the team, they are different helmets. 

thank you 

[Viper33]

3 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi, 

checked with the team, they are different helmets. 

thank you 

They are but the velcro patch is copied over from the Hornet. It should not be there is the point I am trying to get across. Please consult any of your USAF SME's.

[Kid18120]

Velcros are a common "mod" to attach protectors to helmets. I wouldn't stress over it.

[LimePartician]

[NineLine]

17 hours ago, Viper33 said:

They are but the velcro patch is copied over from the Hornet. It should not be there is the point I am trying to get across. Please consult any of your USAF SME's.

It was reviewed by SME's and they were quite happy with it. 

[Viper33]

13 hours ago, Kid18120 said:

Velcros are a common "mod" to attach protectors to helmets. I wouldn't stress over it.

Show me an example used by the USAF. Not ontop like this. It's simply wrong, period. I could also go into how the hose is too long on the pilot model and harness is wrong as well as JHMCS connector cable completely missing from the back.

Edited May 23, 2024 by Viper33

[Jackjack171]

There's velcro here brother. It's from the 8th Fighter wing out of Kunsan.

[NineLine]

2 hours ago, Vortexstate said:

Update: Some other stuff are also wrong with this pilot model, which I'll list below.

• Connectors are wrong, which makes it to where you wouldn't be able to fly under water.
• LPU has the wrong fabric, niche, but still *wrong*
• Apparently some people are also saying the hose is too long.
• And like the OP said, there's no top patch on the helmets, and I KNOW THIS for a fact.

There's probably more, but just ask Mover, he's one of your SME's I think, and he can tell you for a fact. Please share this all to the team working on the pilot model.This counts 75, it should be 50.

 

Can you show real world info or data to back up your claims, if I ask Mover how many ribs are on the hose I may be blocked. Thanks.

[Chain_1]

59 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Can you show real world info or data to back up your claims, if I ask Mover how many ribs are on the hose I may be blocked. Thanks.

Lol, just remember to add "so to speak!"

[NineLine]

1 hour ago, Vortexstate said:

Dude, legit look up any actual photo of an F-16 pilot from the USAF or NATO. And why would you ask him that? Shouldn't the team working on the F-16C Blk 50 pilot model be responsible for that?

When we ask people to report bugs we ask them to include info or evidence. I am pretty confident our 3D artists worked from many sources including photos, and they also told me that the SMEs were happy with the results, I am not saying you are wrong but if you feel strongly about these issues you are welcome to share info showing its wrong and I will be happy to report it. You also said you sent me images via DM but I see nothing from you. Thanks.

[Burner1111]

24 minutes ago, NineLine said:

When we ask people to report bugs we ask them to include info or evidence. I am pretty confident our 3D artists worked from many sources including photos, and they also told me that the SMEs were happy with the results, I am not saying you are wrong but if you feel strongly about these issues you are welcome to share info showing its wrong and I will be happy to report it. You also said you sent me images via DM but I see nothing from you. Thanks.

NineLine, based on Vortexstate pictures, hose dimensions (length) are wrong, it's too long and it does not bend that much, as in the shown pictures. It's more cramped to the body rather than loose.

Second issue I think is the wrong harness fittings. Those seems to be Frost (some times also produced by Koch) type that were used during the early Vipers. I'm sure block50 in 2009 (i think) had already more advanced Koch blade fittings with UWARS. Based on one F-16.net discussion, one of the squadron change from Frost to the Koch was around 2002+. So, in my mind, your represent of Frost type is not correct.

Thirdly, I do not think in 2009sh, LPU-9P life preserver was attached to the newer survival vest type (guessing AIR ACE, AIRSAVE or similar that you have there). LPU-9P (that you have in sim) was used early-mid time and was replaced because of issues/unreliability and used only with SRU-12P vests. I haven't seen any indication or evidence that it was used with newer vests. I currently during writing do not recall the exact newer life preserver number, was it LPU-3x or LPU-4x series that could be attached with those newer vest types.

I haven't checked, if there are still issues there. Have took time off of DCS.

And overall, as a collector myself (I'm not fully specialist, as I still learn from those, who are or have been in service), I can easily say that every setups could be different, depending on the Squadron needs, pilot own preference, wars or the time. There is no 100% clearness that everyone had exactly the same 1to1 setups. E.g. there are much differences with accessories. I learned that in hard way.

In that sense, SME's do not take much love or clear view of these small but important things or they just do not know or remember every details (and I do not blame them). This should be ED's job.

I can prove most of those things but I will share only by PM, if I have the time.

[NineLine]

Thanks both, I will review over the weekend and report as required.

And I apologize @Vortexstate, I did not connect the DIscord account with you. I had reported the other issues already that you sent. As I am aware they are already passed on to the 3D artist.

[NEW is my Callsign.]

I also wonder why this cable in the back of the helmet is not modeled in the helmet. It’s literally what connects the helmet to the jet. And it did show up in the teasers, but it’s just not present in the game. Mind asking that to the modelers as well? I’m guessing they didn’t rig it yet.@NineLine

Edited May 26, 2024 by NEW is my Callsign.

[Viper33]

It's probably harder to animate. Hope this is one of the WIP bits.

[Viper33]

On 5/24/2024 at 1:57 AM, Jackjack171 said:

There's velcro here brother. It's from the 8th Fighter wing out of Kunsan.

Timestamp?

[NEW is my Callsign.]

1 hour ago, Viper33 said:

Timestamp?

I think he misunderstood what you’re talking about exactly. Probably thought you meant the for the blue rubber protection for the visor is the velcro when in reality you’re talking about the velcro on top of the helmet (which shouldn’t be there in USAF helmets). 

Edited May 26, 2024 by NEW is my Callsign.

[Viper33]

20 hours ago, NEW is my Callsign. said:

I think he misunderstood what you’re talking about exactly. Probably thought you meant the for the blue rubber protection for the visor is the velcro when in reality you’re talking about the velcro on top of the helmet (which shouldn’t be there in USAF helmets). 

 

Yup. 

Just so everyone is on the same page, the talk is about this part, the rest is mostly fine:

 

Edited May 27, 2024 by Viper33

[Jackjack171]

2 hours ago, Viper33 said:

Yup. 

Just so everyone is on the same page, the talk is about this part, the rest is mostly:

 

 

New is right, it was my mistake.  

Edited May 27, 2024 by Jackjack171

[Viper33]

On 5/26/2024 at 8:26 PM, NEW is my Callsign. said:

I also wonder why this cable in the back of the helmet is not modeled in the helmet. It’s literally what connects the helmet to the jet. And it did show up in the teasers, but it’s just not present in the game. Mind asking that to the modelers as well? I’m guessing they didn’t rig it yet.@NineLine

 

Yes, in the past development previews said cable was modelled. It's probably just a PITA to animate properly with the movements.

EDIT: For comparison, the non-HMCS HGU-55 version in the Viper is pretty spot on and does not have said issue.

 

Edited May 27, 2024 by Viper33

[NEW is my Callsign.]

Another observation I should make is the blue protective tape is too big and overdone. In reality the cut is made way shorter and it doesn't go all the way to the top of the helmet like what we have right now, as in these pictures. @NineLine pls pass this feedback onto the 3D Modeller

 

 

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Edited May 27, 2024 by NEW is my Callsign.

[Viper33]

56 minutes ago, NEW is my Callsign. said:

Another observation I should make is the blue protective tape is too big and overdone. In reality the cut is made way shorter and it doesn't go all the way to the top of the helmet like what we have right now, as in these pictures. @NineLine pls pass this feedback onto the 3D Modeller

 

 

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That one honestly depends. It's really just a field/squadron modification. Reference the video provided above.

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[cesarferrolho]

Here is a slight graphical bug with the pilot model.

The top of the helmet sticks through the canopy

[BIGNEWY]

5 minutes ago, cesarferrolho said:

Here is a slight graphical bug with the pilot model.

The top of the helmet sticks through the canopy

This has already been reported, thank you

[leoliao]

2024/5/23 AM2点32分，Viper33说：

Basically, looks like ED copied over the Hornet helmet to the Viper. For USAF there should not be a velcro patch on the top of the helmet. Would also be neat to have the JHMCS cable modelled from the back of the helmet. Also be cool to change that blue felt patch above the visor as that's usually now how it looks. Other than that mostly a great improvement to the Viper.

 

The Nickname sticker/tags, could it be editable?