correct as-is When using exp modes 1 and 2 on the hsd it does not freeze hsd

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It gets very annoying when using the exp modes in the hsd because the contacts move in relation to your plane.

[darkman222]

Gotta send your complaints to General Dynamics or Lockheed Martin. Obviously thats the way it is in the real jet.

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Disregard 

[WHOGX5]

1 hour ago, darkman222 said:

Gotta send your complaints to General Dynamics or Lockheed Martin. Obviously thats the way it is in the real jet.

OP should not send his complaints to General Dynamics or Lockheed Martin, because what OP describes is indeed how it works in the real jet. HSD EXP modes should be focused on a patch of ground and should be immovable, as per RL documentation. It's just ED's implementation that is incorrect, and I suggest whomever set this thread to "correct-as-is" actually references RL documentation and reports this as a bug instead. And while we're at it, the same thing shpiöd be true for the HAD page to, where EXP mode shouldn't be moving around relative to your aircraft like it currently does in DCS, but be zoomed in on a patch of ground and be immovable.

[Moonshine]

indeed not "correct-as-is". wonder on what documentation ED is basing the current implementation on. would be nice to see this changed as @WHOGX5 described.

[Tholozor]

From the documentation I've read, the behavior is different between Expand and Freeze (FZ) modes.

If Expand is used:
- The expanded region fills the display, centered around the cursor.
- HSD itself does not freeze, and the cursor is limited to the expanded region (the region itself cannot be slewed).

For Freeze mode, the behavior is dependent on if the HSD is SOI or not. While in Freeze, the ownship position and radar volume symbology should move about the map. The HSD cursor should be able to be moved and able to range-bump the display.
- If SOI: HSD switches to Centered mode at the cursor position.
- If NOT SOI: HSD switches to Centered mode at the ownship position.

Edited June 14, 2024 by Tholozor

[WHOGX5]

39 minutes ago, Tholozor said:

From the documentation I've read, the behavior is different between Expand and Freeze (FZ) modes.

If Expand is used:
- The expanded region fills the display, centered around the cursor.
- HSD itself does not freeze, and the cursor is limited to the expanded region (the region itself cannot be slewed).

For Freeze mode, the behavior is dependent on if the HSD is SOI or not. While in Freeze, the ownship position and radar volume symbology should move about the map. The HSD cursor should be able to be moved and able to range-bump the display.
- If SOI: HSD switches to Centered mode at the cursor position.
- If NOT SOI: HSD switches to Centered mode at the ownship position.

 

I'd say that your interpretation is completely correct. The only important thing to highlight is that in Expand mode, the expanded region, or "patch" as it's referred to in the manuals, is fixed. If you turn your aircraft to the left, your expanded region should not also start moving to the left. Currently, though, that's what happens in DCS. After you expand and keep flying, the expanded area will move with your aircraft, which is counter to the documentation says. However, even though I very rarely use the Freeze mode, the Freeze mode seems to work correctly last I checked. It's just EXP mode that doesn't. And as I mentioned, the issues with EXP mode on the HSD, are also present in EXP mode on the HAD page.

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@WHOGX5Speaking of the had page shouldn't you be able to bump the range with the tdc cursor just like how you can do it on the fcr page and hsd page? It just makes sence for me and basing of falcon bms.

[Wing]

Bump, this is not “correct as is”

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Had to delete what i sent previously. 

[skywalker22]

1st of all, I think this thread is a bit ambiguous. Are you guys talking about HSD or HAD?

In anycase, lets say that the expand modes are ground stabilized. What happenes when it goes out of gimbal limits of HTS (or FCR)? 

I seriously doubt expend modes are ground stabilized for the FCR, but I am not sure about HTS pod. I would also say the same thing, it still has limited "field of view", I think its 180deg (in DCS only 120) forward looking. So sooner or later it will fall out of gimbal limits. Will then still be ground stabilzed? Doesn't make sence.

Edited July 7, 2024 by skywalker22

[Moonshine]

On 6/14/2024 at 9:56 PM, WHOGX5 said:

I'd say that your interpretation is completely correct. The only important thing to highlight is that in Expand mode, the expanded region, or "patch" as it's referred to in the manuals, is fixed. If you turn your aircraft to the left, your expanded region should not also start moving to the left. Currently, though, that's what happens in DCS. After you expand and keep flying, the expanded area will move with your aircraft, which is counter to the documentation says. However, even though I very rarely use the Freeze mode, the Freeze mode seems to work correctly last I checked. It's just EXP mode that doesn't. And as I mentioned, the issues with EXP mode on the HSD, are also present in EXP mode on the HAD page.

everything has been said in this and the previous comment. its pretty clear what the issue is. still wondering why this is tagged as "correct-as-is"

 

Edited July 7, 2024 by Moonshine

[skywalker22]

 

27 minutes ago, Moonshine said:

everything has been said in this and the previous comment. its pretty clear what the issue is. still wondering why this is tagged as "correct-as-is"

If you can answer on my question, it would become pretty clear to me yes.

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