Force feedback Joystick from Moza

[Thunderchief2000]

HI guys, don't know if this is already known about (I've not been on here for a while)  but I saw this on overtake.gg  

It looks like MOZA who makes simracing equipment is getting into the flight sim side with a force feedback joystick.  

they also seem to be doing a throttle and Rudders, but I'm mostly interested in a hopefully reasonable priced ffb joystick.  looks like it uses a standard joystick connector so hopefully it will take thrustmaster/virple grips.

 

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[Kosta]

Saw it yesterday, really interesting.

 

Great move by Moza to have the compatibility with other third parties joysticks, it gives people the option to upgrade to FFB for a (hopefully) reasonable price! Now we will have to wait until they announce the big question, how much it will cost?

 

I've never tried a FFB joystick so I don't know if 9nm it's enough or how much force the other FFB options have.

[Thunderchief2000]

29 minutes ago, Kosta said:

Saw it yesterday, really interesting.

 

Great move by Moza to have the compatibility with other third parties joysticks, it gives people the option to upgrade to FFB for a (hopefully) reasonable price! Now we will have to wait until they announce the big question, how much it will cost?

 

I've never tried a FFB joystick so I don't know if 9nm it's enough or how much force the other FFB options have.

Its not a huge amount but should be a lot more than the old MS Sidewinder which is the only ffb stick i have used.  I'm not sure you need the huge torque of something like the FFBeast, but a bit more than 9nm would be good.  I have a 18nm wheel and if i try to turn it with one hand on full power it is quite difficult. but with extensions on the grips the required effort would be much reduced. it will come down to cost and availability in the end.  The FFBeast is about £1000 in the uk after import tax and shipping.  But then you have to supply your own psu and you have to wait for it as well.  if its about £300 I will bite their hand off.    I expect it will be more like £500 though.

Edited June 21, 2024 by Thunderchief2000

[rapid]

 

They should be at the  FSexpo this year.

 

Check out the Teaser image>>>>

 

Hope its true they make good Car sim stuff.

Edited June 21, 2024 by rapid

[LucShep]

Is that a flight stick with FFB?? 

Edited June 21, 2024 by LucShep

[Aapje]

 

[Aapje]

I'm very excited. I tried to encourage the Rhino & FFBeast guys* into starting a company, because I think that the prices can be brought down quite a bit by starting a proper production line. Having a 'real' company making the products also means that we can put pressure on module makers to properly support FFB, and for sims like MSFS to officially start to support it.

And in my native language, there is a saying: if one sheep has crossed the dam, more will follow. In other words, it often takes one company/person to take the leap, to make others follow. In sim racing, there is a healthy competition for FFB offerings. It would be great to get the same for flight simming.

* They may lose a lot of business, although they might not mind, if their ambition is not to make a career out of making FFB joysticks.

Edited June 21, 2024 by Aapje

[Mr_sukebe]

It does look very interesting.

Anyone know how 9nm equates when compared to the VPforce and FFBeast?  I'm assuming that it'll be far less, but it would be good to know.

ED, can we please have a new sub-forum for Moza.

[Aapje]

The Rhino is specced at 9 Nm as well, versus 35 for the FFBeast. If it is equal to the Rhino, for around $500, that would be great. And then Winwing can make a direct copy for $400

[Hiob]

26 minutes ago, Aapje said:

The Rhino is specced at 9 Nm as well, versus 35 for the FFBeast. If it is equal to the Rhino, for around $500, that would be great. And then Winwing can make a direct copy for $400

Was there any official info regarding the retail price already?

[Aapje]

28 minutes ago, Hiob said:

Was there any official info regarding the retail price already?

There is no official info except for a teaser on Twitter. These pictures all leaked and I haven't seen a price leak yet.

We may get the official announcement later today, as I think that today they'll have the very long set of keynotes at FlightSimExpo, where companies make their announcements.

 

PS. Thanks to the mod for merging the topics.

[rapid]

The Base may be compatible with TM can't see too good but the connect looks the same...here's hoping.

[rapid]

Got some more here>>>

 

 

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[Aapje]

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[Kosta]

https://mozaracing.com/flight

 

(no price yet  )

[LucShep]

Already some first impressions on youtube.....
If the author is reading these forums, nicely done. Many thanks for doing it so soon.
 

Looking forward for indepth reviews (want to see TheNOOBIFIER1337 doing it).

Edited June 22, 2024 by LucShep

[Keith Briscoe]

Great to see this.  The video by BluGames is helpful to see the size of the unit and bottom plate for mounting. But, he didn't really understand what planes to try to really experience FFB in a plane.  That's ok... hoping to get some more videos this week.  

As a converted Race Sim guy to Flight Sim guy... I've been really hoping for something like this... so, pretty excited.

[Mr_sukebe]

6 minutes ago, Keith Briscoe said:

Great to see this.  The video by BluGames is helpful to see the size of the unit and bottom plate for mounting. But, he didn't really understand what planes to try to really experience FFB in a plane.  That's ok... hoping to get some more videos this week.  

As a converted Race Sim guy to Flight Sim guy... I've been really hoping for something like this... so, pretty excited.

 

Being fair, he didn't try to claim he'd be able to give us a genuinely good comparison, as he's not experienced a FFB joystick before and even if he had, how informative would that be to those of us who've also not experienced it?

What he did manage was to convey it's size, mounting options, that it'll take a Thrustmaster joystick (and therefore most probably Virpil) and that he prefers it to a non-FFB warthog base.

That works for me.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Ooh this is definitely something to keep an eye on!

3 hours ago, LucShep said:

want to see TheNOOBIFIER1337 doing it

Indeed!

[Aapje]

1 hour ago, Keith Briscoe said:

Great to see this.  The video by BluGames is helpful to see the size of the unit and bottom plate for mounting. But, he didn't really understand what planes to try to really experience FFB in a plane.  That's ok... hoping to get some more videos this week. 

I don't think that VPForce and FFBeast sent out any review units, but a company like Moza is definitely going to do that. So we should see a bunch of videos.

Don't know how soon, but since BluGames apparently got a review unit, others probably got theirs too. Of course, a proper review requires more than having it for an hour.

[rapid]

I think he only gave us a quick unboxing and a quick run up as it is not the finished product and he wished to wait till he had the complete unit alone with software before fully testing and giving  final thoughts.

So as Mr_Sukebe said  "It works for me" and it works for me too.

 

Looks like Moza has pissed all over the Thrustmasters AVA Base.

 

 

Edited June 21, 2024 by rapid

[Biggus]

Image on the box looks very much like a Winwing stick, although that youtube clip shows him plugging a TM stick into the base.  There's also this:

I can't help but wonder whether Moza and Winwing might be collaborating on this?

 

[LucShep]

14 hours ago, Aapje said:

I'm very excited. I tried to encourage the Rhino & FFBeast guys* into starting a company, because I think that the prices can be brought down quite a bit by starting a proper production line. Having a 'real' company making the products also means that we can put pressure on module makers to properly support FFB, and for sims like MSFS to officially start to support it.

And in my native language, there is a saying: if one sheep has crossed the dam, more will follow. In other words, it often takes one company/person to take the leap, to make others follow. In sim racing, there is a healthy competition for FFB offerings. It would be great to get the same for flight simming.

* They may lose a lot of business, although they might not mind, if their ambition is not to make a career out of making FFB joysticks.

I've been following the Rhino and FFBeast with great curiosity but, yes, it is "boutique" material for a different type of customer.
It is the "large scale" business that can provoque popularity of such products, for a much larger userbase.

It has been many years since the MS SW FF2 and Logi G940, and I had nearly lost hope for modern and better iterations, from the usual manufacturers in the business.

Watching this announcement from Moza felt like "yep... it has begun".
And now the WinWing image above posted by @Biggus. Looks awfully similar to the Moza in a strangely coincidental time period (maybe a partnership?).

If this succeeds - which I think it will - I can't believe brands like Thrustmaster will pass on the chance to also get into it  (they produce FFB wheels, won't be unfamiliar tech).
With all the others following suite.
 

Edited June 22, 2024 by LucShep

[rapid]

Like I said earlier  it looks exactly the same as the Winwing version.

Thrustmaster better pull the rabbit out of the hat real quick.

some more chatter about the Moza....