Revvin Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 It’s been such a long wait for an affordable FFB stick and now we have two announced. Moza’s Flight series and now this from WinWing, can’t wait to find out more, not had an FFB stick since the CH Products Force FX https://www.facebook.com/share/CXyFfsvKtVobx6ha/?mibextid=WC7FNe 3
Aapje Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 Yes, very exciting times. Of course, it will probably take at least a year for these products to have proper software and such. 2
Revvin Posted June 22, 2024 Author Posted June 22, 2024 A short video of the new base https://fb.watch/sSMRgCcFyi/?mibextid=KsPBc6
rapid Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 (edited) Yup two FFB products are coming our way. My AVA is a door stopper now. I think the Cyber Taurus is a little too tall for me>>>>null Edited June 23, 2024 by rapid 1 1 Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VIII , Ryzen 3900X, Nzxt Kraken Z73, Vengence RBG Pro DDR4 3600mhz 32 GB, 2x Corsair MP 600 pcie4 M.2 2 TB , 2x Samsung Qvo SSD 2x TB, RTX 3090 FE, EVGA PSU 800watt, Steelseries Apex Pro. TM WartHog,TM TPR, Track IR, TM 2 x MFD, Asus VG289Q, Virpil Control Panel#2
Eldur Posted June 23, 2024 Posted June 23, 2024 OK, now Thrustmaster, VKB and VPC have to come up with those as well, or they're gonna be dead in the water straight. What shall I say? First Moza and now Winwing? I mean, VPForce does exist, but we need more players in this sector. Finally! 2
Hoirtel Posted June 23, 2024 Posted June 23, 2024 Very interested in these, love my virpil warbird but FFB would be worth the money. For me to purchase I will need to wait until they are out, well reviewed and hopefully some teardowns. I expect there is a lot of opportunity for the internals to fail if this is not done properly. They need to get the price and quality right. 1
Revvin Posted June 23, 2024 Author Posted June 23, 2024 Interesting to see the vent holes near the bottom of the base to help keep those motors cool, the Moza base is pretty much all enclosed.
Aapje Posted June 23, 2024 Posted June 23, 2024 No figure has been released. There are rumors that Moza and Winwing worked together and it is the same base under the covers, but these are just rumors with no hard evidence.
Nightdare Posted June 23, 2024 Posted June 23, 2024 Don't get me wrong, pretty psyched for FFB sticks But nobody noticed those CDU panels in the foreground? 12 hours ago, Eldur said: now Thrustmaster, VKB and VPC have to come up with those as well, or they're gonna be dead in the water straight. IMO TM should just focus on Simracing by this point, VKB is pretty creative and VPC offers solid products Intel I5 13600k / AsRock Z790 Steel Legend / MSI 4080s 16G Gaming X Slim / Kingston Fury DDR5 5600 64Gb / Adata 960 Max / HP Reverb G2 v2 Virpil MT50 Mongoost T50 Throttle, T50cm Base & Grip, VFX Grip, ACE Interceptor Rudder Pedals w. damper / WinWing Orion2 18, 18 UFC & HUD, PTO2, 2x MFD1 / Logitech Flight Panel / VKB SEM V / 2x DIY Button Box
Weasel Posted June 23, 2024 Posted June 23, 2024 Don't get me wrong, pretty psyched for FFB sticks But nobody noticed those CDU panels in the foreground? IMO TM should just focus on Simracing by this point, VKB is pretty creative and VPC offers solid productsOn Facebook and X, Winwing posted some pictures of a comming B737/A320 Cockpit
Aapje Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 The prices they ask for their new panels are great. A golden age for cockpit builders may be coming as well. 3
ChrisIhao Posted June 25, 2024 Posted June 25, 2024 (edited) Actually think the height will be pretty perfect, but mounting this on a Virpil stand... Need it to work with Virpil. Hoping they will release a ffb base as well. Edited June 25, 2024 by ChrisIhao 1 My system: Win 10, Amd Ryzen 3700@stock GTX1080 Ti, 34" Asus G-sync ultrawide monitor, Ipad Air, 32 gigs of 3600 ram, complete CH HOTAS setup, Oculus Rift CV1/Trackir5 and a Saitek Quadrant Been simming since the Commodore 64. A few million polygons ago.
jww123 Posted June 25, 2024 Posted June 25, 2024 (edited) Flitesim is also planning on releasing a line of FFB controls, yoke, pedals and joystick. Also a full line of civilian based flight control panels. From their presentation at flightsim expo 2024 the panels are going to be very attractively priced ( ie some less than $100. No mention of prices for the FFB flight controls). https://flitesim.com/ Moza is also releasing rudder pedals, throttle, joystick grip as well as the FFB base. They stated that the force generated will be 9 nM . The Moza FFB base has pre-drilled mounting holes on the base with various patterns. Looks like it will be compatible with MonsterTech, NextLevel Racing and others. The joystick mount will be compatible with Virpil, Thrustmaster as well as their own joystick grip. The grip will be configurable similar to VKB grips. WinWing looks to be discontinuing their helicopter collective. I wonder if they are planning on releasing an updated collective, something to match or exceed that offered by Virpil. If they do I wonder if we will see improvements to the Virpil collectives. Perhaps Virpil will release an upscale version similar to their alpha line of joystick grips. From what I have read the Virpil collective could be improved with better quality switches and perhaps more metal and less plastic. Looks like 2024-2025 will be a very interesting year for flight sim hardware' Edited June 25, 2024 by jww123 3
Revvin Posted June 25, 2024 Author Posted June 25, 2024 6 hours ago, jww123 said: Looks like 2024-2025 will be a very interesting year for flight sim hardware' You meant ‘expensive’ right? 2
rapid Posted June 25, 2024 Posted June 25, 2024 I just want to buy the best one which suits my requirements. I already brought the AVA and I am already to swap it out. But my money is on the Moza. 1 Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VIII , Ryzen 3900X, Nzxt Kraken Z73, Vengence RBG Pro DDR4 3600mhz 32 GB, 2x Corsair MP 600 pcie4 M.2 2 TB , 2x Samsung Qvo SSD 2x TB, RTX 3090 FE, EVGA PSU 800watt, Steelseries Apex Pro. TM WartHog,TM TPR, Track IR, TM 2 x MFD, Asus VG289Q, Virpil Control Panel#2
Aapje Posted June 25, 2024 Posted June 25, 2024 Yeah, right now it seems inadvisable to buy a higher-tier base without FFB. The benefits of choosing an AVA over a Gladiator/Ursa Minor seems rather minimal compared to going to a FFB joystick. 1
StandingCow Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 (edited) Man, it's gonna be tough to find a way to mount that to my NLR cockpit... might have to visit a metal fab. Although that brings up a question... with a FFB base is there still really still a benefit to having a stick extension? Edited June 28, 2024 by StandingCow 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo
rapid Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 On 6/26/2024 at 12:22 AM, Aapje said: Yeah, right now it seems inadvisable to buy a higher-tier base without FFB. The benefits of choosing an AVA over a Gladiator/Ursa Minor seems rather minimal compared to going to a FFB joystick. Agreed sir. 40 minutes ago, StandingCow said: Man, it's gonna be tough to find a way to mount that to my NLR cockpit... might have to visit a metal fab. Although that brings up a question... with a FFB base is there still really still a benefit to having a stick extension? Yes. 1 Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VIII , Ryzen 3900X, Nzxt Kraken Z73, Vengence RBG Pro DDR4 3600mhz 32 GB, 2x Corsair MP 600 pcie4 M.2 2 TB , 2x Samsung Qvo SSD 2x TB, RTX 3090 FE, EVGA PSU 800watt, Steelseries Apex Pro. TM WartHog,TM TPR, Track IR, TM 2 x MFD, Asus VG289Q, Virpil Control Panel#2
StandingCow Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 25 minutes ago, rapid said: Agreed sir. Yes. Cool, thanks. Guess I'll have to visit a metal fab. 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo
Aapje Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 5 hours ago, StandingCow said: Although that brings up a question... with a FFB base is there still really still a benefit to having a stick extension? Probably even more so with these large bases, if you want to put it between your legs. 4 hours ago, StandingCow said: Cool, thanks. Guess I'll have to visit a metal fab. I would expect options to come available pretty soon, because lots of people want to increase the size of the thing between their legs. 1 1
Rifter Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 43 minutes ago, Aapje said: I would expect options to come available pretty soon, because lots of people want to increase the size of the thing between their legs. This is not the place for gender esthetics. Will report this instantly to the forum management! Edit: Just checked the size of the FFB-Base and possible weight. Goddammit - we’ll need a longer thing for the thing between our legs! 1 1
Wostg Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 Are these FFB bases going to be so heavy that they'll bend typical Winwing/Virpil/monster+generic rail desk mounts? TBH the idea of having to sit it on a stand that I can tuck away after playing is actually pretty tempting 1 I can think of nothing heavier than an airplane I can think of no greater conglomerate of steel and metal I can think of nothing less likely to fly
Aapje Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 It seems obvious that it will be heavier than a non-FFB joystick or throttle, but we have no specs yet. And some of the mounting options may be overbuilt enough for it to be no issue. But I'll let the early adopters run into all the issues. 1
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