Kiowa buddy lasing without TGP help

[Soulres]

so for balance sake server doesnt have a TGP however were buddy lasing manually just by using CCIP and throwing GBUs in the general direction and it'll guide.

 

However my question is there a way for the Kiowa to link with the a10c? or create markpoints kind of like how other a10cs do? Or give me information to enter in mark points manually? 

[Grennymaster]

you can create a Targetpoint in the MMS. this Coordinates you share with the Birds. A direct link is not possible

 

[Soulres]

47 minutes ago, Grennymaster said:

you can create a Targetpoint in the MMS. this Coordinates you share with the Birds. A direct link is not possible

 

Would you know how to get the cordinates from the birds? and what would it be called/named under in the A10c?

[Grennymaster]

just to clarify that i get you rigth, you are in the Kiowa or the A10

im a bit out of the systems now with the A10, but normaly the pilot could make a markpoint from the Target and could give you that cooridinates.

From the Kiowa its nearly the same, you go to the target wiht the MMS and lase the point, as soon as you do that you see the coorinates in the bottom left. or you can hold down the markpoint creator button, i need to check the full name its on the CP Stick, this point you can safe, and also can tell the birds the coordinates.

 

[Yurgon]

3 hours ago, Soulres said:

is there a way for the Kiowa to link with the a10c?

There is no compatible datalink between these two airframes. Not in DCS, and AFAIK also not in real life.

3 hours ago, Soulres said:

or create markpoints kind of like how other a10cs do?

The Kiowa can create target points from the MMS, that's the copilot's job. But markpoints have nothing to do with datalink and it seems this term is leading you in the wrong direction.

3 hours ago, Soulres said:

Or give me information to enter in mark points manually? 

Again wrong terminology. In the A-10C, markpoints are created where ever the Sensor Of Interest (SOI) is looking by pressing the TMS Right Short HOTAS command.

It seems like what you're trying to achieve is to get the pilot to look at the right spot in the first place.

Step a) is to read the coordinates from the platform that has a sensor on the target. In the A-10C, the TGP provides a readout of these coordinates at the bottom, so that's that. In the Kiowa, I believe the fastest way is to set a target point using the proper command on the copilot's cyclic stick, and then the coordinates can be read from the display (and can later be recalled from the target list page).

Step b) is to communicate these coordinates to the other platform via voice transmission.

Step c) then is to create a waypoint or target point from them. Creating a new target point or waypoint from a set of coordinates is a process very well documented for both airframes, and slaving sensors and/or employing weapons against these coordinates is also the bread and butter for pilots of these airframes. If you have specific questions, go right ahead, but for the KW, Casmo has brilliant videos and for the A-10C, there should be tons of videos and countless descriptions here on the forum.

[Soulres]

8 hours ago, Grennymaster said:

just to clarify that i get you rigth, you are in the Kiowa or the A10

im a bit out of the systems now with the A10, but normaly the pilot could make a markpoint from the Target and could give you that cooridinates.

From the Kiowa its nearly the same, you go to the target wiht the MMS and lase the point, as soon as you do that you see the coorinates in the bottom left. or you can hold down the markpoint creator button, i need to check the full name its on the CP Stick, this point you can safe, and also can tell the birds the coordinates.

 

I'm the a10c, And im definitely blowing dust off it, and with how DCS is, I'm not sure if anything was changed or updated in the last 13 years so most of these videos i'm not sure are even relevant. 

So essentially I just need the Kiowa to get cords and then I can put them in, and with that I'm kinda sure I can use that mark point as a CCRP point for munitions.  

 

Were doing buddy lasing(Kiowa to a10c) and trying to figure out ways of getting a more accurate drop instead of using CCRP or my own judgement.  (Cause we can just throw laser guided mutions CCIP and the Kiowas laser will take it home, we just have to play I-Spy so were both looking at the same thing.)

Edited July 3, 2024 by Soulres

[Soulres]

7 hours ago, Yurgon said:

It seems like what you're trying to achieve is to get the pilot to look at the right spot in the first place.

If you have specific questions, go right ahead, but for the KW, Casmo has brilliant videos and for the A-10C, there should be tons of videos and countless descriptions here on the forum.

What i'm trying to achieve is to use Coordinates to create a markpoint for a CCRP drop WITHOUT the use of a TGP. Ive done it before but thats been several years at this point. 

 

The issue with DCS videos(and forums) from 2011 They are not relevant today, however at which time those videos between 2011 and 2024 became irrelevant for each specific thing is a mystery and I would spend MORE time looking for that than simply and harmlessly asking on the ED forums to see if someone else might have an inkling. 

[jaylw314]

1 hour ago, Soulres said:

What i'm trying to achieve is to use Coordinates to create a markpoint for a CCRP drop WITHOUT the use of a TGP. Ive done it before but thats been several years at this point. 

 

The issue with DCS videos(and forums) from 2011 They are not relevant today, however at which time those videos between 2011 and 2024 became irrelevant for each specific thing is a mystery and I would spend MORE time looking for that than simply and harmlessly asking on the ED forums to see if someone else might have an inkling. 

The only way to get a location from your buddy is to talk over the radio.  He needs to give you coordinates for the point.

• If you have coordinates, you make a WAYPOINT, not a mark point.
• If you can point to a spot on the ground with one of your own sensors, you make a MARK POINT, not a waypoint.

So get the coordinates from your buddy, create a waypoint on the CDU, select it as your steerpoint, and make sure your steerpoint is your current SPI (TMS down short long)

Yes, I know you can change markpoints to waypoints with some additional steps

Edited July 3, 2024 by jaylw314

[UncleStains]

jaylw314 has it, except its TMS down long to set SPI to steerpoint. If you did it right, it will say STPT in the bottom left of your HUD.

[jaylw314]

28 minutes ago, UncleStains said:

jaylw314 has it, except its TMS down long to set SPI to steerpoint. If you did it right, it will say STPT in the bottom left of your HUD.

Doh!  Brain fart on my part, thanks  

[UncleStains]

Hey, it's a lot of buttons. I had to erase all memories from before ~2022 in my brain to make room.

[Yurgon]

2 hours ago, Soulres said:

What i'm trying to achieve is to use Coordinates to create a markpoint for a CCRP drop WITHOUT the use of a TGP.

That's called a waypoint. Like I said, the term "markpoint" is misleading in this context.

2 hours ago, Soulres said:

The issue with DCS videos(and forums) from 2011 They are not relevant today

How so? I don't recall a time when creating a waypoint from a set of coordinates has ever changed in the DCS A-10C (and A-10C II, for that matter).

Bunyap's video from 8 years ago is still spot-on, and for example Gerry Abbot's from 2010ish should be just as correct:

After doing everything like Bunyap did in this video, just doublecheck that your SPI Generator is STPT in the lower left corner of the HUD, ensure your newly created waypoint is your active steerpoint, and you're good to go.

1 hour ago, jaylw314 said:

Yes, I know you can change markpoints to waypoints with some additional steps

Yup, exactly, it's possible, but why someone would want to do that when given a set of coordinates is a bit beyond me.

21 minutes ago, UncleStains said:

I had to erase all memories from before ~2022 in my brain to make room.

Erasing 2020 to 2022 wouldn't be much of a loss, other than losing the ability to tell children about how rough we had it...

Edited July 3, 2024 by Yurgon

[jaylw314]

1 hour ago, Yurgon said:

Yup, exactly, it's possible, but why someone would want to do that when given a set of coordinates is a bit beyond me.

Ha, yeah I was just saying that to forestall any "uh, akshually..." comments 

[Yurgon]

1 hour ago, jaylw314 said:

Ha, yeah I was just saying that to forestall any "uh, akshually..." comments 

You know me too well. I probably would have gone down that route eventually.

[Bigity]

Wish the pave penny was modeled. 

[QuiGon]

On 7/4/2024 at 2:34 AM, Bigity said:

Wish the pave penny was modeled. 

It is modeled on the DCS A-10A (the FC3 module). It is not modelled on the DCS A-10C, because it wasn't used on the A-10C anymore in real life either (altough they still carried it for a long time as it's removal required new aerodynamic testing of the aircraft, which was postponed for a long time and thus the pod stayed on the A-10C for quite a while without being usable anymore).

Edited July 7, 2024 by QuiGon

[Bigity]

On 7/4/2024 at 7:34 AM, QuiGon said:

It is modeled on the DCS A-10A. It is not modelled on the DCS A-10C, because it wasn't used on the A-10C anymore in real life either (altough they still carried it for a long time as it's removal required new aerodynamic testing of the aircraft, which was postponed for a long time and thus the pod stayed on the A-10C for quite a while without being usable anymore).

 

Gotcha, thanks.