9800X3D reviews....

[Ready]

Really interested in the performance differences between the 5800X3D and the 9800X3D. Currently my rig in VR with the 4090 is CPU bound with a 5800X3D. Moving to a 9800X3D would not only mean a new CPU, but also a new board and while we are at it possibly new RAM, new CPU cooler and new SSDs. So for me it would almost make more sense to just build a complete new rig. But only if the difference in performance would be big enough.

[Hoirtel]

The 9800X3D does look very good. As a current 7800X3D pushing high Res in VR I guess upgrade isn't going to make much difference, however I can't help but wonder...

The thing that really makes me think is that this chip had much improved 1% lows. That could make a difference.

The big thing about overclocking... Well my 7800X3D is currently running at 5.2 as I have been tinkering with bclk clock as covered widely on YT. With a 360 rad and push pull fans the temps are great.

Drop in upgrade is always temping though...

[LucShep]

9800X3D versus 14900KS @ 6GHZ (MAX OC) BENCHMARKS

 

Edited November 14, 2024 by LucShep

[Blackhawk163]

On 11/7/2024 at 9:08 AM, EightyDuce said:

Grabbed one on Amazon but delivery date showing 22nd.. Hopefully a plaveholder. Everything else out of stock instantly. 

Did you get an upgraded shipping date? I went from unknown date (Amazon) to it being scheduled for delivery this coming Monday  

[EightyDuce]

1 hour ago, Blackhawk163 said:

Did you get an upgraded shipping date? I went from unknown date (Amazon) to it being scheduled for delivery this coming Monday  

Still showing 22nd.  

Sounds like you'll get yours before I get mine. Just swapped out my B650E board for an asus Strix X670E-F in preparation (eCLK)... Plus the price was too good to pass up. 

Also ordered one on NewEgg but that won't be here till probably same time. 

Edited November 15, 2024 by EightyDuce

[Gladius]

Am 11.11.2024 um 20:47 schrieb Ready:

Mich interessieren die Leistungsunterschiede zwischen dem 5800X3D und dem 9800X3D wirklich. Derzeit ist mein Rig in VR mit dem 4090 CPU-gebunden mit einem 5800X3D. Ein Wechsel zu einem 9800X3D würde nicht nur eine neue CPU bedeuten, sondern auch ein neues Board und wenn wir schon dabei sind, möglicherweise neuen RAM, einen neuen CPU-Kühler und neue SSDs. Für mich wäre es also fast sinnvoller, einfach ein komplett neues Rig zu bauen. Aber nur, wenn der Leistungsunterschied groß genug wäre.

I have a similar setup and will update to the 9800X3D. The CPU arrived today.
The MSI X670E Carbone WiFi motherboard has been ordered.
RAM and new M.2 SSD will be purchased on Black Friday.
I will then do the conversion sometime in December.

We could test the performance increase using a mission in DCS and then post the FPS increase and possibly other values here. So before and after, so to speak.
It would certainly be interesting for other users too.

[AirWolf D]

Hey Gladius, very nice and interesting if you do that, I'll keep an eye on that CPU too!

[Gladius]

Is there software that would record FPS and a few values?
Since I use DCS with VR, a streaming recording is not ideal in terms of image.

[EightyDuce]

4 hours ago, Gladius said:

Is there software that would record FPS and a few values?
Since I use DCS with VR, a streaming recording is not ideal in terms of image.

Maybe look at CapFrameX. It captures a multitude of statistics and will build a graph. Though I can't recall if it supports VR or not; its been a minute since I've used it.

[Blackhawk163]

 

i wish I had recorded the 7800x3d results before dropping in the 9800x3d that came two days earlier than expected. I was just too eager

 

I saw a small bump in DCS as the 4080s is still the bottle neck here. I haven't attempted any OC other than enabling PBO etc. The MB has been upgraded to a newer bios to boost performance when using the newer chips. I will say that there are fewer drops, more like blink and you'll miss it. Hardly scientific I know, I'm sure once everyone else here gets setup with theirs there will be some better anecdotes. I saw a user here who recently installed this into their system complain about stutters, luckily, I have yet to experience this across my test flights with the modules I own. 

[Ready]

I upgraded my 5800x3d to the 9800x3d. It is FANTASTIC.

In case anybody is interested, I will keep track of my own benchmarking and further optimizations here:

 

Edited November 20, 2024 by Ready

[HansPeter1981]

On 11/12/2024 at 11:36 PM, Hoirtel said:

 

The thing that really makes me think is that this chip had much improved 1% lows. That could make a difference...

 

Hello, since I am also an owner of a 5800x3d I was quite curious what improvement a +2 Gen version of it could offer. 

I dont really care about average frame rate or peak frame rates... all that matters is to not dip below 60 fps at 4k max detail...

 

I spent half a day to look up what 1% Low means since the new benchmarks praise the 9800x3d a lot in this regards. 

 

Turns out 1% Low is an average. If your average fps is higher in a test run your 1% lows are higher.

I tested this out, let the 7900xtx run free on a game from 5 years ago... fps average is 150-250 fps.... 1% low >100 fps

Then I capped in game to 60 fps... 1% between 55-58 fps

 

So the only valuable comparison in 1% Lows 5800x3d 7800x3d 9800x3rd would be with capped frame rates... everything else is missleading (feel free to correct me if I am wrong)

 

 

Cheers

Edited November 21, 2024 by HansPeter1981

[Aapje]

@HansPeter1981

1% lows is the average of the slowest 1% of frames. It tends to be a very useful metric to measure consistency, a lack of which tends to be visible as (micro-)stutters, which is very grating.

Capping the frame rate is one way to reduce the gap between the average frame rate and the 1% lows, but the higher the 1% lows is in the first place, the less stutters you have without capping and the less you have to cap to lessen the stutters.

[EightyDuce]

26 minutes ago, HansPeter1981 said:

Hello, since I am also an owner of a 5800x3d I was quite curious what improvement a +2 Gen version of it could offer. 

I dont really care about average frame rate or peak frame rates... all that matters is to not dip below 60 fps at 4k max detail...

 

I spent half a day to look up what 1% Low means since the new benchmarks praise the 9800x3d a lot in this regards. 

 

Turns out 1% Low is an average. If your average fps is higher in a test run your 1% lows are higher.

I tested this out, let the 7900xtx run free on a game from 5 years ago... fps average is 150-250 fps.... 1% low >100 fps

Then I capped in game to 60 fps... 1% between 55-58 fps

 

So the only valuable comparison in 1% Lows 5800x3d 7800x3d 9800x3rd would be with capped frame rates... everything else is missleading (feel free to correct me if I am wrong)

 

 

Cheers

My crude understanding of 1% lows is that it is the numerical representation of "smoothness" in gameplay. The 1% low should be as close to your avg framerate as possible. If they are, you'll have a smooth experience, if they begin to deviate drastically, that means your framerate is dipping below average which results in noticible stutters. 

Edited November 21, 2024 by EightyDuce

[Ready]

I recommend watching this video from a younger Steve. He gives a brilliant explanation on the topic.

 

Edited November 21, 2024 by Ready

[BitMaster]

Oh boy,  I am that close to pull the trigger on the 9800X3D

My daughter needs a PC and I think my current one with another GPU ( likely 4060 ) just fits her needs, just Daddy then needs a new CPU/MoBo/RAM kit.

 

Despite a B650 was actually enough, I am looking at the 870E Gigabyte Aorus Master. I have the 570 Master and this board is the best in years I have come across and I would like

to repeat this experience after I had a few Asus and MSI mishaps before that.  Anyone with this board yet ?

 

[GPatricks]

Just built a 9800X3D with 64Gb G.Skill CL30, iCue Titan cooler.. replacing my i9-13900 w/ DDR4, re-used my RTX 4090. I wasn't expecting a great increase, was more to switch to AMD, DDR5, USB 4.0 to be better set for the 5090 when it comes. After a day or so set it to 55x multi, 1.235v core, and ran a few stress tests and she sits at 47C, maxs out ~80C during an all-cores stress. Just got DCS reinstalled, put my old graphic settings in, set up my Bf-109 for a 1v1 quick mission, and it just feels so much smoother that before. In VR, at 55PPI in my XR-3, getting a solid 90FPS (was thrilled with 60 before) and the FT is flashing between 10-11.. Quite pleased!

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

I see this new CPU pricetag and can´t justify the expense.

[GPatricks]

14 hours ago, Ala12Rv-Tundra said:

I see this new CPU pricetag and can't justify the expense.

From your system specs I suspect you have been saying that for quite some time... 

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

2 hours ago, GPatricks said:

From your system specs I suspect you have been saying that for quite some time... 

Accurate enough

Yes, when I bought this system back in 2018, it already was low-mid level. With a lovely Nvidia 1060 with 3Gb of VRAM. 16Gb of RAM, the extra module came later. Ahh good old times, we were young lol

[Aapje]

The 8400 was a very solid CPU. I enjoyed it for quite some time.

If you wait then the prices for the X3D parts will probably come down a lot over time. And Zen 6 may be another big step if the speculation is true and they are working towards putting the IO die under the compute die, which should reduce latency a lot, which is very important for gaming.

[Youtch]

16 hours ago, Aapje said:

The 8400 was a very solid CPU. I enjoyed it for quite some time.

If you wait then the prices for the X3D parts will probably come down a lot over time. And Zen 6 may be another big step if the speculation is true and they are working towards putting the IO die under the compute die, which should reduce latency a lot, which is very important for gaming.

Interesting. When is Zen6 planned for?

[Aapje]

45 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Interesting. When is Zen6 planned for?

End of 2025, although the X3D parts might come later.

And note that the concept of putting the IO under the chip is speculation, not a leak. But AMD tends to move towards a goal gradually, and it makes perfect sense. AMD has also told us repeatedly that they can layer other things than just 3D-cache, which is a pretty strong hint.

By then we might also see the CUDIMM-market mature, so we may be able to run faster memory as well.

Edited December 3, 2024 by Aapje

[TonyG]

I just went from a 10600k/64GB  to the 9800X3D, 64GB and my old 3080.  Very happy with the performance bump. Worth it for me. 
 

5090 will be next. 

[Gladius]

A question for the owners of the Ryzen 7 9800X3D. I installed mine last week and I use the Noctua NH-U12A as a cooler. With DCS the CPU gets very hot, up to 95 degrees. The Noctua cooler is also very hot.
I was able to control the temperatures somewhat with Ryzen Master.
What kind of CPU cooler do you use? Do you also have such high temperatures?