reported CCIP inaccurancy on

[fayco31000]

Hi,

CCIP bombing is inaccurate and seems broken. Whatever i release,it is just impossible to get a direct hit without managing an offset on the piper.
Please, see attached a short track of my little test. Mk82/84 Ldrag or Hdrag fall constantly short.
Same result with laser ranging or ins flight alignement.

Same results observed on training missions, instant missions, cold start or hot start.
Usually, Viper CCIP is highly accurate and  getting a direct hit is quite easy.

F18, A10, AV8, F15 CCIP are working  fine though.

Thanks in advance.

Test CCIP F16 .trk

[BIGNEWY]

Hi fayco31000

welcome to the forum, we have sent this to our team to check. 

thank you for your report. 

Best regards

bignewy

[spidierox]

Hi there,

Like the title says I am trying to CCIP bomb ground targets but keep finding that the bombs fall short.

I have been going through the forum, found some posts but they are mostly (very) dated and I can't determine which is current or even valid.

So my question is:

- is there a (known/reported) bug with CCIP bombing and bombs fall short for the f16?

- if there is not a bug then probably it is user error. If someone can provide a good link to post or you tube for the latest version of DCS (2.9..12 or beyond)  would be highly appreciated 

 

Wagss video's are older and even trying to follow them gives me the same result - falling short

A point of hope is that I did try some CCIP bombing based on the you tube video of the OPS Center to do a (USAF) conventional pattern and in the end I can consistenly drop the bombs in the same spot... but then I saw that the spot where the bombs fall do not match where the pipper was (= falling short) and so I am confused now not sure what is going wrong...

(I do not use a TGP - I am in the simple believe provided you have the speed & altitude if you put the pipper on target that is where the bombs will fall - hence cont. computing impact point) and fly in zero wind condition, unlimited view sunny day at sea level)

Any tips or answers are welcome.... 

kind regards, 

Spidierox

[Flying-Kane]

+1

Same here, i tried bombing some bunkers with MK-84 yesterday. All bombs fall short, altough the pipper was exactly spot on.

[silverdevil]

3 hours ago, spidierox said:

Hi there,

Like the title says I am trying to CCIP bomb ground targets but keep finding that the bombs fall short.

I have been going through the forum, found some posts but they are mostly (very) dated and I can't determine which is current or even valid.

So my question is:

- is there a (known/reported) bug with CCIP bombing and bombs fall short for the f16?

- if there is not a bug then probably it is user error. If someone can provide a good link to post or you tube for the latest version of DCS (2.9..12 or beyond)  would be highly appreciated 

 

Wagss video's are older and even trying to follow them gives me the same result - falling short

A point of hope is that I did try some CCIP bombing based on the you tube video of the OPS Center to do a (USAF) conventional pattern and in the end I can consistenly drop the bombs in the same spot... but then I saw that the spot where the bombs fall do not match where the pipper was (= falling short) and so I am confused now not sure what is going wrong...

(I do not use a TGP - I am in the simple believe provided you have the speed & altitude if you put the pipper on target that is where the bombs will fall - hence cont. computing impact point) and fly in zero wind condition, unlimited view sunny day at sea level)

Any tips or answers are welcome.... 

kind regards, 

Spidierox

 

2 hours ago, Flying-Kane said:

+1

Same here, i tried bombing some bunkers with MK-84 yesterday. All bombs fall short, altough the pipper was exactly spot on.

this has already been reported and been this way a while. i am not sure of a workaround except using a "kentucky windage" approach OR, another suggestion is to, lase the target for accurate distance. i personally use KY-W.

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/365599-ccip-inaccurancy-on/

Edited January 26 by silverdevil

[RyanR]

I thought this was fixed?

Slick Mk-82/84 are falling short in CCIP. Drop in CCRP, and they're almost spot on.

Is it just me? I know, I know.... no track file.

-Ryan

[AndrewDCS2005]

Tested now with zero wind, temperature 10 degrees Celsius, pressure 750mm Hg, target at 10m ASL (truck in the middle, orange cross on the pic).

Always pressed weapon release when CCIP pipper was exactly over the target, in a series of 6 runs in a mix of shallow and deeper dives.

Results below - looks like the hits are 15-20m short.

 

F16-Mk82-CCIP-hits.trk

[Esac_mirmidon]

They indeed are falling short

[Draken35]

What was the release altitude (yes, I know it is in the track, but I cannot download it right now) and what is the CEP of the mk.82 ? (JDAM is 5m, I have not been able to find any info for the mk.80 series)
A more consistent test would be to dive, active pause and drop 1 bomb with unlimited ammo, once reloaded, drop again (this eliminates the station as a variable) and keep alt, speed and dive angle constant... 

I definitely do not expect the bomb to hit exactly on the piper every single time... If ccrp is doing that, then ccrp is buggy

[Esac_mirmidon]

The thing is the bombs are ALWAYS falling short.

Is this issue is CEP related bombs will hit AROUND the target inside the CEP, not always short.

[Draken35]

The screenshot doesn't seem to reflect that but that is just a handful of drops, but it thy are always (or just favor) falling short, then that's a bug. I'll setup a test of my own... Been a while since I dropped dumbs from a Viper

[Draken35]

And you guys are absolutely right...  12 drops from active pause, all short. Fairly easy to reproduce

test viper ccip.miz

[-=Shin=-]

CCIP with the F-16 is very buggy at the moment .....unfortunately.

Tested with my squadron, we are quite good in CCIP Drops...see this picture...almost every bomb fell short, CCIP Pipper was always ON target, dropped from low alt, stable flight...its buggy for quite a time now. Hope this will be fixed soon ?

[BIGNEWY]

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