Looking for a trick to make the flight model less assisted

[Michael-Fr]

Hello,

Is it possible to disable flight assistances so that the aircraft's handling is "rougher"? (Apologies to the purists who will cry heresy)
I would like to find sensations that we find on older jets (F4, F14 to name a few)

Is the "pitch overdrive" command implemented?

Thanks in advance,
Michael

Edited December 20, 2024 by Michael-Fr

[Default774]

There is not.

I'm not sure what you mean by pitch overdrive.

[Michael-Fr]

Thanks anyway.

[AndyJWest]

The F-16 is dynamically unstable. The flight control system does not 'assist' flying, it makes it possible.

[Bremspropeller]

The Manual Pitch Override switch is functional. Have a go and tell us what you found out

Edited December 20, 2024 by Bremspropeller

[NytHawk]

 

2 hours ago, Michael-Fr said:

Is the "pitch overdrive" command implemented?

As Bremspropeller stated earlier. Manual Pitch Override is implemented, and you can do some funny stuff with it.

Holding the Manual Pitch Override switch gives the pilot manual control of the Elevators and removes the negative G-Limit when held. There is no practical use to this switch when you are operating within your aircrafts flight envelope.

Edited December 20, 2024 by NytHawk

[SpecterDC13]

The MPO switch is only for nose down authority during flat spins or other stalls.  It does nothing for you for pitch up maneuvers.

[Michael-Fr]

I will do some tests. Thanks for your answers and happy holidays to you.

[VarZat]

The manual pitch override also works great for throwing a solid curveball at your agressor when in defensive BFM

[Istari6]

As other have said, this isn't a limitation of DCS, it's a limitation of the real-world Viper.  Unlike something like the F-4, F-5 or F-15, where there were stability systems to enhance flight, the F-16 is so unstable that without the active assistance of the FLCS, you'd swap ends with any maneuver.  So no, unfortunately, there isn't any way to turn it off.  If you're looking for a rougher and more visceral feel, I recommend the F-14 Tomcat.  

[darkman222]

The manual pitch override is like the Hornets paddle switch. But only in the wrong direction

The "older" jets without fly by wire handle more agile because you are flying it with a spring loaded joystick without inertia, or resistance due to the cables moving control surfaces that will make it harder and harder to move the stick violently when flying faster. Try to do fancy control inputs with a force feedback stick that actually simulates the forces, and youre not going to do fancy stick movements any more. But as this is not simulated on a spring loaded stick you can slap it around like crazy.

 

[sirrah]

On 12/20/2024 at 3:56 PM, Michael-Fr said:

Hello,

Is it possible to disable flight assistances so that the aircraft's handling is "rougher"? (Apologies to the purists who will cry heresy)
I would like to find sensations that we find on older jets (F4, F14 to name a few)

Is the "pitch overdrive" command implemented?

Thanks in advance,
Michael

Well, this bug currently makes it properly rough/sluggish 

During landing/take-off the Viper currently feels like a WWI triplane 

[TobiasA]

Am 22.12.2024 um 16:04 schrieb sirrah:

Well, this bug currently makes it properly rough/sluggish 

During landing/take-off the Viper currently feels like a WWI triplane 

Triplanes were stable though

There is no way to bypass the FLCS and it is better that way.

[ViSzKe]

On 12/20/2024 at 3:56 PM, Michael-Fr said:

Hello,

Is it possible to disable flight assistances so that the aircraft's handling is "rougher"? (Apologies to the purists who will cry heresy)
I would like to find sensations that we find on older jets (F4, F14 to name a few)

Is the "pitch overdrive" command implemented?

Thanks in advance,
Michael

If you want a rough aircraft the F-16 simply isn't for you. The whole purpose of fly-by-wire IRL is to make it non-rough ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Q3ark]

Sounds like you might enjoy an older aircraft more, try the Mirage F1 or the F4 Phantom. Those are far less forgiving aircraft to fly, if you want rough you can’t go wrong with the F4