reported George cannot see any targets

[zenatsu]

DCS 2.9.11.4686
While doing a PHS search or a TSD LOS search, George cannot spot targets/Display a target list, regardless of distance (used to be about 10km and closer). This is in both Single player and Multiplayer.

Steps to reproduce:

1. Hop into an apache as a back-seat
2. Take-off with optional weapons
3. Activate George helper AI
4. Command George to slave to PHS
5. Command George to slave TSD LOS

Attached is a track file demonstrating the above. No targets pop up into a target list even when overflying said targets.

AH64D_Geroge_AI_No_Targets.trk

Edited December 24, 2024 by zenatsu
updated to add which patch the issue is occuring on

[QbanRambo]

Happened to me too after latest update. Frustrating. 

[KungFu]

I can get him to work on the SCUD hunt mission on the pad and detecting all the friendly units, however he doesn't work on a popular MP server I play on where he detects nothing.

[PedroTheGoat]

Same here. Kind of completely breaks this module. Hopefully a workaround or fix soon.

[zbysiek]

17 minutes ago, PedroTheGoat said:

Same here. Kind of completely breaks this module. Hopefully a workaround or fix soon.

the workaround is to fly from the CPG seat

[KungFu]

 

1 hour ago, zenatsu said:

DCS 2.9.11.4686
While doing a PHS search or a TSD LOS search, George cannot spot targets/Display a target list, regardless of distance (used to be about 10km and closer). This is in both Single player and Multiplayer.

Steps to reproduce:

1. Hop into an apache as a back-seat
2. Take-off with optional weapons
3. Activate George helper AI
4. Command George to slave to PHS
5. Command George to slave TSD LOS

Attached is a track file demonstrating the above. No targets pop up into a target list even when overflying said targets.

AH64D_Geroge_AI_No_Targets.trk 3.73 MB · 0 downloads

He works fine in SP for me on the Cauc Dam Mission.  In MP he does not on the server I play on (and I think we are talking the same MP server(s), two other servers I joined worked ok

Edited December 24, 2024 by KungFu

[zenatsu]

4 minutes ago, KungFu said:

 

He works fine in SP for me on the Cauc Dam Mission.  In MP he does not on the server I play on (and I think we are talking the same MP server(s), two other servers I joined worked ok

He did not work in the Caucasus SP instant mission "Live fire range" for me. I haven't systematically gone and tested every mission or anything, but its consistent enough to be an issue with multiple users seeing the same.

[KungFu]

1 minute ago, zenatsu said:

He did not work in the Caucasus SP instant mission "Live fire range" for me. I haven't systematically gone and tested every mission or anything, but its consistent enough to be an issue with multiple users seeing the same.

Yeah it seems totally random between what people are seeing.  It being Christmas Eve maybe the reports are lower than they'd normally be.  

[NineLine]

Sorry all being Christmas, I would take a look when I can, let me know if there is fog in the mission at all.

[placsea]

I freshly installed dcs today after a recent reformat to try out the new patch and noticed the AI rose looks different, I had no issues utilizing george as usual. Maybe try reinstalling the module. Tested on Caucasus live fire instant action.

[corbu1]

Can‘t actually check because I‘m away from my PC. First I read this (there are also reports on the DCS discord channel) this might have to do with George changes brought to him to deal with fog?

[NineLine]

24 minutes ago, corbu1 said:

Can‘t actually check because I‘m away from my PC. First I read this (there are also reports on the DCS discord channel) this might have to do with George changes brought to him to deal with fog?

That is what I am wondering, possible his 'vision' needs to be tuned, but I can't look right now.

[Apache 64]

Additional track from me too. George sees nothing anymore. That was never a problem before the latest patch in this little test mission i use for comparisons after patches.

Even with clear vision on open sea with small distances no luck.

Gearge_sees_nothing.trk

Edited December 25, 2024 by Apache 64

[HC_Official]

this problem is not just on the apache , Petrov in the hind sees nothing now as well

[corbu1]

vor 1 Minute schrieb HC_Official:

this problem is not just on the apache , Petrov in the hind sees nothing now as well

Makes sense to me. Both were adjusted to deal with the new fog with the latest patch.

[admiki]

I had problems with George not seeing targets at 5 km, looking east-ish at misty dawn with previous version.

Even I could barely see the objects outlines from the front seat.

Last night, George had no problems finding targets at clear dark night. Both missions were MP.

[deloy]

Same issue with, although I only tried MP, George couldn't see anything. Weather ok, no fog. 

[outi]

When i start the game and start direkt the Weapon Range Quick Mission its all fine with Goerge. 

But if I join a server before without being spawned in Apache, Goerge is blind  (ShadowReaper Grand Syria in this Case)

[ASW]

I went online and launched the helicopter. I set everything up and flew to the target for 45 minutes. He destroyed four targets himself from the front cockpit, then moved to the pilot's seat, turned on George's interface and was stunned... Everything is different. George couldn't see the target from two kilometers away. I was naturally killed. From a regular machine gun. Help me figure out how the search options switch.

How to switch PHS SEARCH to the TADS LOS SEARCH?

[Mascant]

I have just now experienced the same issue on a popular MP server. After the update i first fired up a my selfmade range mission on single player, no issues with George.

The i hopped online and George was not able to spot any target. Day, and clear weather. I jumped onto to front seat and found and engaged the targets with no issue.

Then an igla whacked me because i sat in front and coundt take command fast enouth. Welp. Looking forward to end of februray update then.

[placsea]

4 minutes ago, ASW said:

I went online and launched the helicopter. I set everything up and flew to the target for 45 minutes. He destroyed four targets himself from the front cockpit, then moved to the pilot's seat, turned on George's interface and was stunned... Everything is different. George couldn't see the target from two kilometers away. I was naturally killed. From a regular machine gun. Help me figure out how the search options switch.

How to switch PHS SEARCH to the TADS LOS SEARCH?

Its not  switching  anything. Up short directs the bot to slave to the phs and find targets, down long directs the bot to search for targets where the tads is currently pointed. This is the same logic/behaviour  prior to the patch, the AI rose is just now different graphically.

[N.A.S.H.]

Have the same issue after the latest update.

[ASW]

We will wait for the Fix.

[stonewall197922]

Didn`t have time to look at the new patch. Did AI controlled Apache have the same issues? I mean same mission, but change from player controlled to AI. Will it engage targets? Can`t test it right now.

[DaveTC]

6 hours ago, NineLine said:

Sorry all being Christmas, I would take a look when I can, let me know if there is fog in the mission at all.

Hi,

I am experiencing the same issue in the Apache. I had this issue on all the MP servers I play on, mostly 4ya.  I have also heard on other forums that Petrovich is having simular issues, though I can't verify it myself!

Not at all convinced that it has to do with fog because I did a following test:

• I created and saved a small mission with fog on manual setting (see attached images). 
• From missions menu I launched the mission as a multiplayer server (so that I could use dynamic spawns)
• Jumped into the apache with Lima hellfires
• Lifted off and scanned for targets (see attached images) and George presented me a list of friendlies in the target list.

This also worked on my own saved mission with fog setting turned off!

I am wondering if it has to do with an issue on the stand-alone MP servers, because I am starting a MP server form within DCS itself and not running a separate DCS MP server like the most MP servers do.

Kind regards