What is the future of WW2 stuff for DCS?

[aldox]

After almost 3 years away from flight sim, I just came back to DCS, I fly mostly WW2 and early cold war stuff, cold war got lots of new stuff since I went away, but WW2 is still a mess with absolutely no sense of where is going, I cannot find anything from the devs expanding on the topics, Normandy 2.0 is a question mark for me, the channel map is completely irrelevant with 0 planes to fly it there, I see that the la7 is coming to DCS and the Corsair, thats cool and all but why?? We got no eastern front map or a plane to counter the Corsair in the Marianas, what's the point? Why don't the devs expand on what is the status on the Channel map, can't they go 1940's? WW2 stuff is all over, no direction and no one is saying anything I came back from a 3 year pause and WW2 servers play the same map and the same plane sets

[Rudel_chw]

44 minutes ago, aldox said:

the channel map is completely irrelevant with 0 planes to fly it there

I fly the Mosquito on that map  

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, aldox said:

the channel map is completely irrelevant with 0 planes to fly it there

How so? Check out the DLC campaigns like the P-47 Wolfpack. It’s very good and uses the Channel map. 

[waterman]

What is the future of WW2 stuff for DCS?

I spent a great deal of time creating lots of Trains for WW2 Normandy.

Steam Locomotives with animated wheels and Valve Gear.

Rolling stock with nice rotating spoked wheels.

Working signals and level crossings.

Time table using DML schedule.

So where are they ?

Well for some reason DCS decided MT was better than ST and not to include any animation arg8 for the trains in MT.

All that work for nothing .

You will have to make do with the German Steam Locomotive with locked wheels and its wagons being dragged around half sunk into the tracks around London.

The ww2 addon pack we paid for now has the steam Locomotive animations dissabled .

Lets say theres no attempt for realism.

The WW2 Trains Need Fixing Please.

I dont mean a new paid for paint job either !

[Nealius]

I think he means in terms of historical accuracy. The Mosquito and Spit are the only bird that fits that timeframe of the conflict. The P-47s based out of there would have been earlier razorbacks, not the D model we have. P-51s would have been Bs and Cs. The K-4 and D-9 didn't exist yet, 190s would have primarily been A5s, I believe. 

The A-8 has some overlap with Normandy, but big-picture between Channel and Normandy maps, the only two historically accurate aircraft we have for those specific AOs are the Mosquito and Spitfire. All other US and German aircraft are late-war production models. This causes disparity in performance as certain aircraft are over- or under-performing relative to the counterparts they actually faced during the time period.

 

Edited December 30, 2024 by Nealius

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, Nealius said:

I think he means in terms of historical accuracy.

Well DCS is a bit of a sandbox, you can’t be such a stickler about accuracy here. 

[_JMax]

I am hopeful of the future WW2 development,but DCS has a long way to go to match the depth of IL2....  . I slightly prefer the graphics quality of DCS(not by much) and of course the switchable cockpits,but the variety and historical potential within IL2 is fantastic. Probably like most WW2 enthusiasts, I dream of having the best of both sims together. But i think its pretty clear that most DCS resources are directed at the modern jet aircraft.

 

[Slippa]

There’s not a lot of ‘reality’ about it. It’s an embarrassment.

I’m starting to wonder about trying IL2 again. I never went much on the graphics or flight characteristics there but I’ll be long gone by the time DCS gets any recognition of life before ‘44.

I fly the Channel map or Normandy with anything with a prop welcome. Trouble is ED don’t give a monkeys about prop driven aircraft so they’re a bit lacking. Prove me wrong for gods sake. 

I wonder what happened to whoever developed the Channel? They did a good job of it. It performs well enough to fly in, they could expand that but we need aircraft, both axis and allied. We need modules built. Flyable, clickable and loveable. We need Bombers, Fighters and… Shipping ? - They could do with giving Admiral and people of his ilk access to the tools to help.

They were on about doing some stuff for the Pacific a while back. Another map with what, two aircraft to add to it if we’re lucky? It’s a real shame. DCS flies best and looks best but it’s a shallow puddle for us vintage enthusiasts. No chance of a Hurricane, an Me110, Heinkel 111 or any of that. B-25s, flyable Fortresses and Dakotas we can only dream about. DCS just ain’t the place for the vintage stuff. Trouble is, what we do have with a prop looks, flies and works better than anything else I’ve seen. IL2 has the content without the quality. DCS has the quality without the content. What we do have doesn’t make sense properly on any of the maps so if you want to recreate realistic missions you’ll have to use your imagination a fair bit. I wish ED could do the same. We have parts of maps and parts of an Air Force. Uninhabited Airfields? Some ground crew would be a start.

I wish they’d just choose a map and apply the Beaverbrook approach to aircraft manufacturing. Add a few ground assets, PEOPLE would be nice and add some life. All o that. If they had a bit of focus it’d be nice but they seem to be tearing about chasing fires to put out if they’re not building another shiny thing for sale that’ll need more to go with or against it.

Who knows, maybe next update we’ll get a few carriers with decks stuffed full of Wildcats, Sea-Hurris and Sea-Spits, MkVs (why not) flying overhead towards the Rhine? Why not dream up expanded maps and go from Bomber Country in the Midlands and the North right over to Germany? Cos they’re not bothered. Jets and Helis sell and they’ve enough to chase up and update with those already. We’re  bit knackered, which is why I’d rather they hadn’t drawn me in with nice looking MkIXs Mustangs and 109s. Since they’re still selling them they’re creating the problem. Whoever else fancies flying the best looking Spit or whatever here gets sucked in, invests in more props and comes to the same conclusion everyone else does. Where is everybody? Where do we go? Why can’t I fly this or that?

We have to be patient. Play the long game. Invest now if you’re in your twenties and by the time you’re in your forties or fifties you’ll have forgotten all about it. 

We live in hope. Hope springs eternal etc. - Unfortunately, we, are mere mortals and can’t wait forever. I’d love nothing more than to have to eat my words and be humiliated when ED release their ‘bumper vintage assets pack’, full to the brim with musty useable artefacts and articles for our delectation and delight. (I’ve been reading Dickens, give me a break) . I just don’t think we’ll be getting too much for a little while. Let’s hope I’m wrong and they blow us all away with a cacophony of poppycock and prop-wash. 

2025 - Vintage shall revive.

Happy New Year all 

 

[Nealius]

I agree. What we do have in terms of air assets is extremely odd. We have 5 flyable Allied air assets with three more in development. We have 3 flyable Axis air assets with none in development. We have two Allied AI assets (B-26 and B-17) with only one Axis AI asset (Ju-88), plus one in development (A6M).

[motoadve]

7 hours ago, Slippa said:

IL2 has the content without the quality. DCS has the quality without the content.

Worst part for me, I tried to go back to IL2 a few times, and after 1 flight I uninstall it.

What I find strange is in IL2, Finnish server was the most popular, and its very unrealistic, non historical at all, and TAW, hardcore realism, not as popular.

 

Edited December 30, 2024 by motoadve

[SharpeXB]

The simple math is that it takes about 2 years to develop a DCS module. Go figure how long it would take to fill out an historical roster of 20+ aircraft.

So enjoy what we have.

[dcn]

It is these people who demand 'historically correct' plane sets and maps that ruined DCS WWII.Why are these people so demanding of DCS WWII?When Phantom was released I never heard anyone complain about not having a Vietnam map.

[rcjonessnp175]

5 minutes ago, dcn said:

It is these people who demand 'historically correct' plane sets and maps that ruined DCS WWII.Why are these people so demanding of DCS WWII?When Phantom was released I never heard anyone complain about not having a Vietnam map.

Well the phantom was used in many regions which we have map wise in dcs.....

[Mr_sukebe]

6 minutes ago, dcn said:

It is these people who demand 'historically correct' plane sets and maps that ruined DCS WWII.Why are these people so demanding of DCS WWII?When Phantom was released I never heard anyone complain about not having a Vietnam map.

No, that’s not the case.

The current core batch of WW2 were voted for around 2014.  The reason for the mismatch is the guys who wanted the most common Spitfire, and the best versions of the 190 and 109.

Edited December 30, 2024 by Mr_sukebe

[oz555]

1 hour ago, motoadve said:

Worst part for me, I tried to go back to IL2 a few times, and after 1 flight I uninstall it.

What I find strange is in IL2, Finnish server was the most popular, and its very unrealistic, non historical at all, and TAW, hardcore realism, not as popular.

 

Same here.. I do hope the upcoming ED Dynamic Campaign matches the quality of their modules. The detail that has gone into the Mosquito is outstanding. I just struggle to create a meaningful WW2 atmosphere to fly it in. 

[Nealius]

54 minutes ago, dcn said:

It is these people who demand 'historically correct' plane sets and maps that ruined DCS WWII.Why are these people so demanding of DCS WWII?When Phantom was released I never heard anyone complain about not having a Vietnam map.

1. Lots of people have been requesting a Vietnam map for years before the Phantom even came out.

2. The Phantom was used by many countries in many regions we already have: Persian Gulf, Sinai, Syria, and Kola. 

[NIAGARA MOHAWK]

We hear Crickets from ED because they have -NOTHING- to share of WWII !!

In their own words =" WWII is a very small team, and when they have something to share they will "

so since they have not shared anything for over like 8 or so months +/-.. I would think they have Nothing to share ?? 

 Its a shame, as a large WWII group came here looking and hoping for Expansion and new content  ??  and many have lost hope and left or been run off !! 

Seems we have been Gaslighted ??? == Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse or manipulation in which the abuser attempts to sow self-doubt and confusion in their victim's mind. Typically, gaslighters are seeking to gain power and control over the other person, by distorting reality and forcing them to question their own judgment and intuition.

But they have worked diligently on the Shinny new CH-47 .. 

• Fixed. Wipers knob park position isn’t spring loaded !!!!!!!!!! 

so just keep dreaming , and in the mean time buy all their other stuff you really did not come to DCS for in the first place..  ( See above Gaslighting ) this is also the same method the Super Fan Boys / Attack Dogs use ...

I think I can hear the Reeducation Camp Train a coming on down the Tracks  ??

 

 

 

[motoadve]

Honestly I don't think there is a team dedicated to WWII full time unless something big its being built on the background, for example, how many months it took to fix the P51 brakes?

You can do it on your own in about 10 minutes, lets consider trail an error and testing, 1 hr, it took months, many updates we get zero stuff for WWII, its a shame but it is what it is.

Do I enjoy what we have? totally, much better than anything out there, which kind of ruins you, because everything else feels arcade and simple.

[JohnMclane]

I think DCS is just spread too thin all over the place. The player base is made up of a bunch of small niche groups with very different wants. Every time they put something out, it caters to a couple of these groups while leaving a bunch of others feeling like they're been forgotten about... I don't know what the solution to that is tbh...

[SharpeXB]

The level of fidelity in DCS means it can’t be a “battle” sim. It’s a study sim and really about the aircraft themselves. So it’s a Spitfire LF Mk. IX game, not a Battle of Britain game. It would be impossible to create a Battle of Britain sim game with all the historically accurate planes for that scenario all modeled to full fidelity. That would take 40 years to make and cost $1,000. But you can fly your 1944 Spitfire in reasonably authentic scenarios against 109 K-4s even though these probably never attacked London. Nothing wrong with that, really. Just use your imagination. 

[Rudel_chw]

4 hours ago, motoadve said:

Worst part for me, I tried to go back to IL2 a few times, and after 1 flight I uninstall it.

 

Same happens to me, I do own quite a bit of content for that Sim:

 

 

but learning each aircraft does not give me the same enjoyment that DCS does, also the Mission Editor of DCS is so much more powerful, so after a few flights I always end up removing it from my disk. An e-mail reminder alerted me of the current Sale that IL2 has, but even at 70% discount I'm not tempted to purchase their Normandy ... I'd rather re-learn the DCS Mosquito  

 

So, I end up making my own missions and using a lot of User Mods to supply the needed AI aircrafts .. I know it is not the same quality but my focus is on learning to handle the aircraft, not re-creating historic combats  

 

Happy New Year to all.

[waterman]

4 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

But you can fly your 1944 Spitfire in reasonably authentic scenarios against 109 K-4s even though these probably never attacked London. Nothing wrong with that, really. Just use your imagination. 

OK i will try lets start with a few basics.

 

1. I am trying to imagine - The German Al Trains running around London are British.

2. I am trying to imagine - The wheels and valve gear are rotating and animated as they used to in ST.

3. I am trying to imagine - The Trains are not sunk down into the tracks down to their axles.

4. I am trying to imagine - The Trains can be Deactivated.

5. I am trying to imagine - The Zombie Deactivated Trains do not continue in the sky and out to sea forever.

6. I am trying to imagine - Someone is not asleep or worse at the wheel making these decisions but thats a real hard one.

Please sort out these things the none DCS Produced youtube videoes now cropping up make the sim look so stupid and a half baked job !

Are the Trains Ever Going To Be Looked at and Fixed ?

Is DCS just happy to leave them as they are ?

 

 

[Rudel_chw]

6 minutes ago, waterman said:

Are the Trains Ever Going To Be Looked at and Fixed ?

Seems to me that you are focusing too much on a single non-working feature, you will never be able to enjoy DCS with that mindset.

[waterman]

8 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

Seems to me that you are focusing too much on a single non-working feature, you will never be able to enjoy DCS with that mindset.

Your typical reply --

Yes its MY FAULT !

FIX IT THEN

You are right i cannot enjoy DCS it is broken thats what i am telling you !

Dont just snow  Over my comments and keep wallpapering over the cracks for DCS .

When there a problem fix it please.

Edited December 30, 2024 by waterman

[SharpeXB]

16 minutes ago, waterman said:

OK i will try lets start with a few basics.

 

1. I am trying to imagine - The German Al Trains running around London are British.

2. I am trying to imagine - The wheels and valve gear are rotating and animated as they used to in ST.

3. I am trying to imagine - The Trains are not sunk down into the tracks down to their axles.

4. I am trying to imagine - The Trains can be Deactivated.

5. I am trying to imagine - The Zombie Deactivated Trains do not continue in the sky and out to sea forever.

6. I am trying to imagine - Someone is not asleep or worse at the wheel making these decisions but thats a real hard one.

Please sort out these things the none DCS Produced youtube videoes now cropping up make the sim look so stupid and a half baked job !

Are the Trains Ever Going To Be Looked at and Fixed ?

Is DCS just happy to leave them as they are ?

Ok so 

1. I don’t think most people can tell the difference between a 1940s British or German train. 
2. Nobody noticed, maybe. 
3. Legit. 
4. Again not sure who cares. 
5. Never noticed this but legit. Maybe make an actual bug report. 
6. See 5 above.

Go figure it’s a flight sim and not a train sim trains are fun to shoot though, I’d like to see bigger explosions from them like in the gun cam films