Type 21 Frigate

[Oban]

As there has been an interest for a Type 21 frigate, I actually bought one from artstation a couple of years ago... I may as wll fix it up to be released then... I'm sure my coding genious who helped me with the Type 42 @Beldinwill be able to bring her to the Seas soon.. (not 2 weeks soon!!!)

There's textures for every RN Type 21 as well

Edited January 21 by Oban

[Beldin]

I'm in .

[Tonker]

Poor old Ardent. T21s will be a great addition to the sim, looking forward to them 

[HighMaintenanceB]

This is going to be interesting.   On another note, what do you think it will take to replicate the configurations of these ships in Pakistani service?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq-class_destroyer

Pictured here is PNS Babur (ex. HMS Amazon), with a Phalanx CIWS in place of the Seacat missile launcher, and 2 Mk. 141 missile launchers for RGM-84 Harpoons in place of the Exocet launch boxes.  3 ships in this configuration.

This is PNS Tariq, ex. HMS Ambuscade, with a Phalanx CIWS fitted aft in place of the Seacat missile launcher.  In place of the Exocet missile launch box here is a Chinese-made LY-60 surface-to-air missile launcher (reverse-engineered Aspide/Sparrow.)  3 ships in this configuration.   HMS Ambuscade (aka PNS Tariq) made the news last year as the Pakistani government has reportedly gifted the ship back to the UK with the hopes of turning her into a museum piece.

[Oban]

7 minutes ago, HighMaintenanceB said:

This is going to be interesting.   On another note, what do you think it will take to replicate the configurations of these ships in Pakistani service?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq-class_destroyer

Pictured here is PNS Babur (ex. HMS Amazon), with a Phalanx CIWS in place of the Seacat missile launcher, and 2 Mk. 141 missile launchers for RGM-84 Harpoons in place of the Exocet launch boxes.  3 ships in this configuration.

This is PNS Tariq, ex. HMS Ambuscade, with a Phalanx CIWS fitted aft in place of the Seacat missile launcher.  In place of the Exocet missile launch box here is a Chinese-made LY-60 surface-to-air missile launcher (reverse-engineered Aspide/Sparrow.)  3 ships in this configuration.   HMS Ambuscade (aka PNS Tariq) made the news last year as the Pakistani government has reportedly gifted the ship back to the UK with the hopes of turning her into a museum piece.

Both should be possible, as I have models for the Harpoon's and also for the Phalanx, I will look into my goodie box and see what I have

[HighMaintenanceB]

1 minute ago, Oban said:

Both should be possible, as I have models for the Harpoon's and also for the Phalanx, I will look into my goodie box and see what I have

Thank you very much.   These Pakistani ships will go quite well with the Persian Gulf and JF-17.  I don't own the JF-17, but those who do will quite appreciate your work.  Once again, thank you for your contributions, and best of luck with everything.    Hope to hear from you guys soon.  

[Woogey]

@Oban

Sweet, nice to see some of the older UK boats making there way into the sim.  
 

 

[Beldin]

Yeah, the Cold War Royal Navy is really shaping up

[McFly29]

You are all too good to us! Watching this with great interest 

[roobarbjapan]

Thank you so much for this!

[Oban]

[Beldin]

Is that the Type 22

[Oban]

6 minutes ago, Beldin said:

Is that the Type 22

Nah, that's the PNS Babur (D-182), the former HMS Amazon

[Beldin]

5 minutes ago, Oban said:

Nah, that's the PNS Babur (D-182), the former HMS Amazon

Nice, 

You had the Type 21 in pretty good shape I got it firing Exocets last night and it looks like you have the guns working but I'd like to try and get the main gun setup like the Type 42. I also think I have an update for the Type 42 main gun so it will engage anti-ship missiles as well.

I think there is a Exocet model in the ED files so I'm going to see if I can create a Exocet file that's unique to this ship as the one I fitted last night is linked to Admiral's Normandie frigate.

[Gogi12]

26 minutes ago, Oban said:

British Type 21, and 22 would be perfect to have, we have both types in brasilian navy mod, but they are brasilian versions

[crazyeddie]

The Type 21 (UK Exocet fit) had 4 launchers , all facing forwards, and a SeaCat launcher behind the funnel.

Lovely little boats, much loved by their crews but ever so vulnetrable, as was found out in 1982. Most warships are lumbering great heaps of metal, but these were the greyhounds of the Oceans.  Never served in one, sadly, but watched 2 of them sunk, Ardent and Antelope.  I can still see Antelope exploding as the bomb went off, we were less than 100 yds away, RIP the guys who lost their lives on them both.  

Smartest little ships the RN ever had, shame about the thin upperworks and hulls.

[Linx]

Ohh wow. Monitoring with great interest.

[Beldin]

So.... I was able to to create a "new"  Exocet MM38 Block 1 anti-ship missile using Admiral189's Exocet MM40 Block 3 from his Normandie FREMM Frigate as the source code. I was also able to access the Exocet model in the DCS main install so no new model or other mods will be needed.

Now while I've been known to bend the specs a little in the name of "game play" I do try and keep in mind for many DCS is a hardcore "real world" simulator. So I lowered the the range to the surprisingly low 42km for the ship launched Exocet of the Type 21's time frame. I also used the correct "MM38" designation for the map name (I like short map names, less clutter). I was pleasantly surprise that the new missile worked in the first test   . But... I was a bit disappointed when I saw how the ED "Air Launched" Exocet model is textured  .

I hope to have the files. back to Oban by the end of the week for testing. But then again I'm not sure I've ever seen a Sea Cat missile that can actually hit anything so.... 

[Oban]

The Core Game Sea-Cats lua's are horrendous, to the point they actually are innefective, have a shocking launch pattern, it would maybe be better to use another surface to air missile code, but have it less effective than say the SM.2's

I actually forgot that I revamped the Type 21 recently, I've got that many personal projects on the go.

I'm trying to trace a decent model of the HQ-6 missile tubes... not so easy, they look like the Sea Sparrow launchers, so might have to use those ...

[Woogey]

@Beldin There IS a type 22 Batch 1 inbound though…….

-Woog

[Beldin]

1 minute ago, Oban said:

but have it less effective than say the SM.2's

I'm not sure I know how to do that . 

In my experience it seems most ship launched SAMs work too well or not at all. I see "lua notes" that reference accuracy but the numbers are all over the place. But doing some testing and research to that end is on my list.... But if I do get the Sea Cat's working they will most likely be better than they should be in version one. Not that it should matter much. Ship only has 4 of the bloody things

8 minutes ago, Woogey said:

There IS a type 22 Batch 1 inbound though…….

I'm not up to speed enough with the 3d modeling yet......But working on it.

I need to look at the Brazilian Navy Mod again. It's a nice mod but the last version I checked had some issues with a few of the model or the fits were incorrect for the RN ships as I recall.

 

[Beldin]

I got the Sea Cat launcher tracking targets and firing missiles, but there is a problem. The missiles are actually hitting the targets

[Woogey]

No, I purchased a 3-D model of the type 22, that I slid over to the admiral. I did some texture work so we have all 4 batch 1 boats.  He’s working on it, but it’s in the queue. So no accurate timeframe as to when it will be ready. 
 

-Woog

[Oban]

47 minutes ago, Beldin said:

I got the Sea Cat launcher tracking targets and firing missiles, but there is a problem. The missiles are actually hitting the targets

Better than flying into the sea!!

[Beldin]

31 minutes ago, Woogey said:

No, I purchased a 3-D model of the type 22

D'oh