upyr1 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 The JA-37 was the fighter variant of the JA-37. There were two basic versions the original Ja-37 and the Ja-37D the original one could carry skyflash while the D was armed with AMRAAMs. I don't know how hard it would be to have both of them, but it would be awesome to add it to DCS 4
Rudel_chw Posted February 1 Posted February 1 5 minutes ago, upyr1 said: I don't know how hard it would be to have both of them, but it would be awesome to add it to DCS this has ben asked/wished on several threads already …. doing it one more time won’t make it happen, it just pollutes the forum. 3 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
upyr1 Posted February 2 Author Posted February 2 7 hours ago, Rudel_chw said: this has ben asked/wished on several threads already …. doing it one more time won’t make it happen, it just pollutes the forum. They can merge the threads 1
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QuiGon Posted February 3 Posted February 3 AFAIK the lack of any publically available documentation of the JA-37's radar is a blocker for this to become a DCS module. At least it has been in the past as the devs need to know how the radar and its display and modes look like in order to simulate it in DCS. 2 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
RustBelt Posted February 3 Posted February 3 Just put the made up F-35’s radar in it and call it good.
draconus Posted February 3 Posted February 3 59 minutes ago, RustBelt said: Just put the made up F-35’s radar in it and call it good. AESA? Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
upyr1 Posted February 8 Author Posted February 8 On 2/3/2025 at 2:48 AM, QuiGon said: AFAIK the lack of any publically available documentation of the JA-37's radar is a blocker for this to become a DCS module. At least it has been in the past as the devs need to know how the radar and its display and modes look like in order to simulate it in DCS. Due to the age of the plane I didn't think the radar would be an issue.
renhanxue Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, upyr1 said: Due to the age of the plane I didn't think the radar would be an issue. Find the documentation then. The most obvious location (the Swedish national military archives) doesn't even have the classified systems description part of the flight manual. As in, the problem is not that they aren't willing to declassify it, I can't even request declassification of it because they actually don't have it at all. There is a non-zero chance no complete flight manual for the early JA 37 versions exists at all anymore; standard procedure was and is to burn classified documents that are no longer needed, and if it hasn't been properly archived it might actually be lost. There is very likely a lot of other documentation that could be declassified and pieced together to collect enough information for a study sim, but that would be a major archival research project. Documentation issues aside, the main problem with the JA 37 is simply just that it's a completely different aircraft. It looks like the AJ 37 externally but has very little in common with it. You'd have to start from scratch, you can't really use much of anything from the AJ 37. Edited February 8 by renhanxue 2
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 8 Posted February 8 16 minutes ago, renhanxue said: Documentation issues aside, the main problem with the JA 37 is simply just that it's a completely different aircraft. It looks like the AJ 37 externally but has very little in common with it. You'd have to start from scratch, you can't really use much of anything from the AJ 37. A lot of folks don't usually get that the Viggen family has shockingly low levels of part commonality. The difference in engines between AJs and JAs are the first thing that comes to mind. I can't imagine the real nitty gritty of radar etc. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
mkellytx Posted February 8 Posted February 8 2 hours ago, upyr1 said: Due to the age of the plane I didn't think the radar would be an issue. It's not the radar it's the data link, IIRC. The system used on the JA-37's was the basis for the one still in use today with the Gripen's. 1
upyr1 Posted February 8 Author Posted February 8 13 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said: A lot of folks don't usually get that the Viggen family has shockingly low levels of part commonality. The difference in engines between AJs and JAs are the first thing that comes to mind. I can't imagine the real nitty gritty of radar etc. I figured that they were two differnt planes that looked similar, otherwise knowing HB they probably would have included both
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 10 Posted February 10 On 2/8/2025 at 10:04 AM, upyr1 said: I figured that they were two differnt planes that looked similar, otherwise knowing HB they probably would have included both It's honestly a very fascinating airframe with what the SwAF demanded out of it as a family of aircraft. It's probably one of the more captivating stories of development and the 'what if's' are easy to obsess over. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
upyr1 Posted February 10 Author Posted February 10 11 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said: It's honestly a very fascinating airframe with what the SwAF demanded out of it as a family of aircraft. It's probably one of the more captivating stories of development and the 'what if's' are easy to obsess over. That's why I'd like to see the fighter version. The viggen is cool
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