DCS: MiG-29A Fulcrum pre-purchase

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1 hour ago, Dudikoff said:

I only mentioned it because R-27 was always advertised as a modular missile where you could easily swap between IR and SARH seekers on the same missile body so I suppose the same would probably work between older and newer SARH seeker heads. 

I mentioned Artem as they used to advertise exporting R-27 missiles. Not sure where Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia are getting their R-27 stocks from, but I would expect it's Ukraine rather than Russia.

Just a quick correction to my earlier statement: the R-27 seeker does, in fact, operate in the same frequency band as the N019 radar. However, there are important distinctions worth clarifying.

N019 Rubin & R-27ER is not compatible. Only N019M & N001 Mech or greater. BUT the R27R is compatible with the N019. The R‑27ER seeker uses a different set of time-multiplexed X-band channels than the R‑27R. The original N019 Rubin radar was hardwired to generate the R‑27R’s waveform parameters, but the R‑27ER introduced a new waveform profile to prevent NATO or compromised systems from spoofing or using it. Now about the seekers; Having the same seeker models is irrelevent, It is the Radar that provides the frequency & main channels for guidance that determines how or if the R-27ER will guide. All the X-band guidance channels for the R-27ER have been changed because the Chief Scientist at Phazotron sold the Americans everything on the N019 Rubin radar & the R27. Schematics, detection & tracking, guidance & jam proof testing. This is why the R-27ER does not have a lot of open-source intelligence on it. The N019M & N019ME Radars are still classified not offered to any NATO states. Yes, the heads may physically be the same R-27R & R-27ER, but the N019M Topaz Illumination and main channels use different frequencies than the N019 Rubin within the X band & are then multiplexed.

The R-27ER guides to N019M & N001 Mech main channels, not the N019 Rubins.

NATO knows all the main channel frequencies of the N019 Rubin & can jam them.

Why would the Soviet Union develop the R-27ER throughout the mid 80s, to deploy it in 1990 & knowingly allow it to be guided by the same N019 Rubin radar that the Americans already compromised, having the N019 Rubin & R-27 schematics, jam proof data, detection, tracking & guidance frequencies as well as the state recognition system of the USSR?
 

I hope this clears things up and explains why the 27ER is incompatible with the N019.

The only MiG-29A I know can carry the ER and 77 is a modernized one, A specially tailored Serbian Mig-29SM+ that is similar to the Syrian MiG-29SM that are upgraded 9-12A airframes too. They both have N019ME radars

R-27ER (AA-10C Alamo C) – "a modification of the R-27R missile with the installation of a new rocket engine, which has a larger supply of solid fuel, inside a modified rear part of the fuselage, characterized by a greater length and larger diameter. As a result, this model has a greater long-range range. The guidance system of the R-27ER missile cooperates with the N019M Topaz (‘mod. Slot Back I’) radar of the MiG-29S light front-line fighter and the N001 Mech (‘Slot Back II’) of the Su-27 heavy front-line fighter. This model, along with the R-27ET and R-27EP missiles, officially became operational in 1990."
Source: R-27 (AA-10 Alamo) :: Ruslet

R-27R (AA-10A Alamo A) – "a modification of the R-27 missile with the installation of a semi-active radar homing warhead of the RGS-27 type (9B1101K) inside the ogival tip of the fuselage made of dielectric material. The guidance system of this model cooperates with the on-board radar type N019 Rubin (‘Slot Back I’) of the MiG-29 light front-line fighter and N001 Mech (‘Slot Back II’) of the heavy front-line fighter of the Su-27 type. The R-27R missile, along with the R-27T and R-27P, officially became operational in 1987."
Source: R-27 (AA-10 Alamo) :: Ruslet

N019M - N019 Radar | MiG Alley Military Aviation News

Edited May 22 by 0minutes

[ThorBrasil]

I'll give it a try! I bought it! Now I just have to wait patiently for the release. I hope it's a great module.

[0minutes]

2 hours ago, Dudikoff said:

I only mentioned it because R-27 was always advertised as a modular missile where you could easily swap between IR and SARH seekers on the same missile body so I suppose the same would probably work between older and newer SARH seeker heads. 

I mentioned Artem as they used to advertise exporting R-27 missiles. Not sure where Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia are getting their R-27 stocks from, but I would expect it's Ukraine rather than Russia.

Ukraine uses modified N019 radars & that is why you can only find them on upgraded N019 Radars** They also state IMPROVED Ukrainian built R-27ER & ET thanks to the Luch State Design Bureau and the Artem State Joint-Stock Company)

"On February 28, 2007, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine A.S. Gritsenko announced the allocation of 7.7 million hryvnias from special funds of the Ministry and the state budget of Ukraine to complete the development of the modernized version of the MiG-29. As the commander of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Anatoly Toropchin said in an interview, the modernization of the MiG-29 aircraft should extend their service life to 35-40 years from the date of production, and the engines - up to 20 years, which should have made it possible to operate the modernized aircraft for another 15-16 years.

Since at that time the military-political leadership of Ukraine had not yet decided on the content of the military doctrine and the country retained a “non-aligned” status, and the financing of the armed forces was limited, it was decided on a “small program of modernization” of the MiG-29 to the level of the MiG-29MU1 (which was supposed to be an intermediate stage to a promising modernized version of the MiG-29MU2).
The modernization of the MiG-29 to the level of the MiG-29MU1 is aimed at increasing the detection range of air targets, improving the accuracy of injecting the aircraft to a given point and expanding the capabilities for monitoring and recording the functional parameters of the technical condition of the aircraft, engine and a number of onboard systems.
In the course of modernization, the fighter undergoes a major overhaul with an extension of its service life at the Lviv Aircraft Repair Plant, is painted in “pixel” camouflage, the aircraft is equipped with a receiver of the SN-3307 satellite navigation system manufactured by Orizon-Navigation integrated into the avionics (due to which the accuracy of navigation and the range of use of automated instrumental landing equipment are increased), the Phazotron-Ukraine specialists are replacing the N019-09 receiver unit with the onboard N019 radar (which made it possible to increase its reliability due to the use of a new, more modern element base up to 10-20 thousand hours). In addition, it is reported about the expansion of the radio station’s frequency spectrum to meet the requirements of ICAO.

The use of improved Ukrainian-made missile weapons (230-mm medium-range air-to-air missiles R-27ER1 and R-27ET1 manufactured by the state-owned company Artem with a launch range of up to 95 km and promising 170-mm Gran short-range air combat missiles with a thermal homing head, the development of which was entrusted to the Luch State Design Bureau and the Artem State Joint-Stock Company) should also contribute to improving the combat effectiveness of the aircraft.

As of the beginning of October 2012, the cost of the program for the modernization of one MiG-29 to the level of the MiG-29MU1 (excluding overhaul costs) was 2 million US dollars. In November 2014, the cost of modernizing one MiG-29 for the armed forces of Ukraine was estimated at 29.166 - 29.167 million hryvnias (about 1 million US dollars). Full modernization only applies to single-seat fighters, since two-seat fighters do not have radar."

Ukraine uses modified R-27ERs on their modified MiG-29 9.12s that use modified N019 radars.

Sorry for the sort of incorrect data before hand btw**

[AeriaGloria]

3 hours ago, 0minutes said:

Ukraine uses modified N019 radars & that is why you can only find them on upgraded N019 Radars** They also state IMPROVED Ukrainian built R-27ER & ET thanks to the Luch State Design Bureau and the Artem State Joint-Stock Company)

"On February 28, 2007, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine A.S. Gritsenko announced the allocation of 7.7 million hryvnias from special funds of the Ministry and the state budget of Ukraine to complete the development of the modernized version of the MiG-29. As the commander of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Anatoly Toropchin said in an interview, the modernization of the MiG-29 aircraft should extend their service life to 35-40 years from the date of production, and the engines - up to 20 years, which should have made it possible to operate the modernized aircraft for another 15-16 years.

Since at that time the military-political leadership of Ukraine had not yet decided on the content of the military doctrine and the country retained a “non-aligned” status, and the financing of the armed forces was limited, it was decided on a “small program of modernization” of the MiG-29 to the level of the MiG-29MU1 (which was supposed to be an intermediate stage to a promising modernized version of the MiG-29MU2).
The modernization of the MiG-29 to the level of the MiG-29MU1 is aimed at increasing the detection range of air targets, improving the accuracy of injecting the aircraft to a given point and expanding the capabilities for monitoring and recording the functional parameters of the technical condition of the aircraft, engine and a number of onboard systems.
In the course of modernization, the fighter undergoes a major overhaul with an extension of its service life at the Lviv Aircraft Repair Plant, is painted in “pixel” camouflage, the aircraft is equipped with a receiver of the SN-3307 satellite navigation system manufactured by Orizon-Navigation integrated into the avionics (due to which the accuracy of navigation and the range of use of automated instrumental landing equipment are increased), the Phazotron-Ukraine specialists are replacing the N019-09 receiver unit with the onboard N019 radar (which made it possible to increase its reliability due to the use of a new, more modern element base up to 10-20 thousand hours). In addition, it is reported about the expansion of the radio station’s frequency spectrum to meet the requirements of ICAO.

The use of improved Ukrainian-made missile weapons (230-mm medium-range air-to-air missiles R-27ER1 and R-27ET1 manufactured by the state-owned company Artem with a launch range of up to 95 km and promising 170-mm Gran short-range air combat missiles with a thermal homing head, the development of which was entrusted to the Luch State Design Bureau and the Artem State Joint-Stock Company) should also contribute to improving the combat effectiveness of the aircraft.

As of the beginning of October 2012, the cost of the program for the modernization of one MiG-29 to the level of the MiG-29MU1 (excluding overhaul costs) was 2 million US dollars. In November 2014, the cost of modernizing one MiG-29 for the armed forces of Ukraine was estimated at 29.166 - 29.167 million hryvnias (about 1 million US dollars). Full modernization only applies to single-seat fighters, since two-seat fighters do not have radar."

Ukraine uses modified R-27ERs on their modified MiG-29 9.12s that use modified N019 radars.

Sorry for the sort of incorrect data before hand btw**

I think there are more reasons we don’t see un modified 9.12 carrying ER then “it’s radar couldn’t handle it.” Such as many of those operating countries not buying ER, or saving it for there Sukhoi’s. Correlation does not equal causation. 
 

There is a MiG-29 manual for 9.12/9.13 that says with the same software update that introduces KMOD, R-27ER integration is added, BZPP-4. Our version has KMOD, the Bosnian units in 1991 had KMOD. Many old manuals talk about it. Not to to mention the tracking specifics of the radar allow us to also say if a certain manual is for this software or not. 
 

I won’t post it but to quote it 

“FEATURES OF USING SUV WITH BZPP-4 AND BZPP-4A BLOCKS Or

BZPP-4D

1. The MIG-29 aircraft, which has a control system with the BZPP-4 permanent memory storage units in the RLPK and BZPP-4A in the OEPRNK, has the following main differences from the MIG-29 aircraft, which has a control system with the BZPP-ZD units in the V RLPK and BZPP-4 in the OEPRNK:

a) BY RLPK:

- ensures the operation of the radar under conditions of exposure to the following types of active interference:

- noise, when using coordinate support for range and speed from the control unit and when guiding by voice:

- response active interference (speed-distorting, Doppler noise and false Doppler frequencies):

- the kinematic method of determining the range (KMOD) mode to the noise jamming target has been introduced: - the lower limit of the speeds of low-speed targets such as a helicopter, at which the radar-control system ensures their stable detection and capture in the PPS from ranges of less than 23 ZPS from ranges of less than 17, has been reduced from 210 to 180 km/h

tracking of the target is ensured when passing 4/4 angles in mode D at the start of the target maneuver at a range of less than 15 km. In mode B, tracking of the target is ensured through 4/4 angles against the background of free space, and against the background of the earth when the interceptor is flying at altitudes of more than 2.5 km at ranges of less than 10 km; - the minimum range of detection and target acquisition when the radar is operating in mode B in the PPS has been reduced from 10 to 5 km. 

- the minimum approach speed for target detection and acquisition in D mode at ranges less than 15 km and in BL.BOY mode at ranges less than 10 km has been reduced from 150 to 50 km/h, and target tracking in D mode is also ensured at speeds close to those equalized when the interceptor is lowered to carry targets,

ranges: in TP (STROBE) mode with the interaction enabled, radar range measurement, the D" maxt" mark and the D" min. min mark equal to zero are displayed.

When the laser range appears, the Dimakst, Dimaks and Dimin marks are displayed. The MIG-29 aircraft, which has a SUV with a BZPP-4D block in the radar, has the following differences from the MIG-29 aircraft,

having a control system with a BZPP-4 block in the RLPK: - when the AP-OTKL switch of the APK is set to the OFF position, the interference protection circuit is not disabled.

When exposed to interference, its SEI indication is absent, only the AP index is displayed, which is necessary for the AP-OFF-APK switch to be a signal for detecting the jammer. To perform

set to AP or APK position - additionally provides generation of target designation parameters and one-time commands for R-27ER missiles (ET, EP)

- accelerated adjustment of R-27R (ER) missiles to the radar illumination letter by the pilot on the ground in the air is possible in a time of no more than 70 s

B ensures that the automatic tracking mode is maintained during manual switching of the radar control system modes from B to Di from D

- the zones of permitted launches for R-27R missiles have been clarified.

- when automatically tracking a target in the PPS in the B mode, the target maneuvers when approaching the 4/4 angle of the radar automatically switches to D mode. The transition from D mode to B mode does not occur during the target maneuver - the 4/4 angle is passed at distances of less than 10-20 km (depending on the radar operating mode: B, D or AVT.) when working over a steppe surface. When working over a surface such as a mountain, river floodplain, large above a surface such as a mountain, a river floodplain, an industrial city (district), target tracking drops are possible when passing a 4/4 angle at these ranges: when the COMP switch is turned on, or when the AP-OFF switch is set to the APK ON position the AP index lights up, signaling the inclusion of these modes: - when using interaction in the BB, SHLEM or OPT modes. support for the RLPK is provided in mode 6) According to OEPONK: BB Boy (instead of D mode)

……..

symbols 27ER and 73U were introduced (the presence of R-27ER missiles and R-73U training missiles);“

Edited May 22 by AeriaGloria

[killjoy73au]

Never pre-order, have we not learned people? Have we not learned?

[OnionSpider13]

1 hour ago, killjoy73au said:

Never pre-order, have we not learned people? Have we not learned?

People keep saying to "vote with your wallet."  I'm voting for more 3rd and 4th gen full fidelity REDFOR modules.  That's why I pre-ordered; I want to see the Fulcrum succeed.

[Lord_Pyro]

And i have yet to regret a pre order

[surfcandy]

Bought the Mig-29 at pre-order price. Add it to collection.

[ouky1991]

I'm considering this iconic plane, but I wonder about the .lua encryption, is it for the 3D model only? Are we gonna have access to the main folder containing textures, scripts for HUD modding etc?

[draconus]

It's not even released and you want to mod it?

[ouky1991]

15 minutes ago, draconus said:

It's not even released and you want to mod it?

Affirmative It's a sickness, I know...

[0minutes]

On 5/23/2025 at 2:27 AM, killjoy73au said:

Never pre-order, have we not learned people? Have we not learned?

This module is made by ED. 

[killjoy73au]

1 hour ago, 0minutes said:

This module is made by ED. 

Even more of a reason not to pre-order.

[jpbordi]

Hummm, for me the Mig29A already exist in FC3, the price is to expansive for getting just an upgrade/remake, i will prefer order new jet like Mig25 or Mig31 or other

i bought the last upgrade F5E, the price was acceptable

KR

 

Edited May 24 by jpbordi

[SOLIDKREATE]

On 5/22/2025 at 7:41 PM, OnionSpider13 said:

People keep saying to "vote with your wallet."  I'm voting for more 3rd and 4th gen full fidelity REDFOR modules.  That's why I pre-ordered; I want to see the Fulcrum succeed.

 

Exactly. I have an over abundance of Blufor planes. It's why I haven't bought the F-4E yet. Yeah it is an amazing module for sure however the Red's need some serious love. The drawback they have are the intellectual property laws of the REDFOR planes and helo's. I feel sorry for our other brothers who lost access to the red helicopters.

I hope that by showing ED we do have serious intrest we can get our beloved (my first love in DCS) Su-25A as an FFMOD, and dare I say Su-27 "Flanker-B".

[TotenDead]

Even though 27 would be nice to have, REDFOR really needs Strike aircraft in my opinion. Something like MiG-27K or Su-24

 

There're platforms that can into a2a, even though those are FC level. But There's literally nothing in terms of a2g planes. Except of 25 And 25T, of course, but their speed makes them of limited use for so many types of missions

[AeriaGloria]

1 hour ago, TotenDead said:

Even though 27 would be nice to have, REDFOR really needs Strike aircraft in my opinion. Something like MiG-27K or Su-24

 

There're platforms that can into a2a, even though those are FC level. But There's literally nothing in terms of a2g planes. Except of 25 And 25T, of course, but their speed makes them of limited use for so many types of missions

I agree, unfortunately documents are often most difficult with MiG-27 or Su-24. It would need to be a team that has access to documents of an operating country, documented  at never made it online. 
 

Su-24 is literally the only Soviet attacker with ground mapping radar and terrain following! It is the only way to get a full equivalent to the “AJS-37 Viggen” experience! 

[TotenDead]

53 минуты назад, AeriaGloria сказал:

I agree, unfortunately documents are often most difficult with MiG-27 or Su-24. 

Welp, there is at least "practical aerodynamics" for the Su-24 available (non-M version though) 

[SOLIDKREATE]

51 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said:

I agree, unfortunately documents are often most difficult with MiG-27 or Su-24. It would need to be a team that has access to documents of an operating country, documented  at never made it online. 
 

Su-24 is literally the only Soviet attacker with ground mapping radar and terrain following! It is the only way to get a full equivalent to the “AJS-37 Viggen” experience! 

 

I wonder if someone could use some code form that (AJS-37) and the F-14 (for wing sweeping) to make a good MOD. I saw one on YouTube but every YouTube'r that showcasaes MOD's always gatekeeps. 

 

A really, really good MOD I cam across recently on these forums is the Su-30MK -

. 

There is the S0-25SM3 MOD as well but it seems like the creators aren't developing it anymore for public use.   -  

 

[ThorBrasil]

The MiG-29 reached 57,000 feet at Mach 1.4. I was amazed at how high it goes (5:30).
 

 

8:40

 

Edited May 24 by ThorBrasil

[AeriaGloria]

59 minutes ago, ThorBrasil said:

The MiG-29 reached 57,000 feet at Mach 1.4. I was amazed at how high it goes (5:30).
 

 

8:40

 

It’s service curling is higher, at 18,000m

[MicroShket]

23 часа назад, killjoy73au сказал:

Even more of a reason not to pre-order.

Listen to the man with the talking bread on his avatar and do the opposite. Done.

[Mainstay]

On 5/23/2025 at 4:41 AM, OnionSpider13 said:

People keep saying to "vote with your wallet."  I'm voting for more 3rd and 4th gen full fidelity REDFOR modules.  That's why I pre-ordered; I want to see the Fulcrum succeed.

Same! We need more redfor toys 

[okopanja]

Will the module bring the fully functional НПЛ-М?

[Weta43]

For the rest of you in the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ crowd:

https://reaa.ru/threads/nakolennyi-planshet-npl-m.5387/

(it's a circular navigation slide-rule)

It doesn't look like something I want to be trying to manipulate the various rings of with a mouse while trying to fly... (unless it's partially see-through)

Edited May 27 by Weta43