More Modern Everything!

[smoking_ace420]

The Cold War ended almost 40 years ago. It's time DCS is updated with everything from the 21st century, at the very least SAMs, fighters and strike aircraft, AWACS, ect. The Vipers and Hornets are left with no 21st century environments where they belong.

[SteelPig]

The Vipers and Hornets we have are from the same timeframe. 

[TheBiggerBass]

From what I have read from RL air forces recently dogfighting and even manned aircrafts do not not play the role anymore as they used to in modern warfare. I guess it's mandatory to include drones - a lot of them - when you want to sim a modern combat. That's a bit out of scope for DCS I guess.

[MAXsenna]

24 minutes ago, TheBiggerBass said:

That's a bit out of scope for DCS I guess.

Drones? There are drones in DCS. Even some flyable mods.  

[OmasRachE]

I don´t know if anyone would have great fun in playing a combat flight sim that represents the 2025 battlefield. BVR from hundrets of miles away in an F35, F16s degradet to hunt shahed drones, and combined arms with randomly exploding collums due to dji drones.

 

My desire would be a vietnam theatre where we can use our Phantoms, Migs and Hueys like its meant to be. And new modules from that time like the Hun, or F105. Aircrafts that actually need to be flown by the pilot. That said I would also appreciate more from the late 90s/early 2000. Since we are about to loose the Strike Eagle I am realy looking forward to the FF Eagle and the Typhoon. And I would agree that some newer SAMs would be nice.

[Ramius007]

We dont have present time flyable modules in the first place, our lot 20 Hornet is already phased out from USN, and retiring from USMC, same with Harrier, F-15C retired this year, except Jeff we dont really have FF module that can play modern redfor, and even Jeff is old, no AESA pre blk.3 variant, A-10C kinda fit, but have fun against 2020's threats, same can be said about Apache facing manpads proliferation and UAV that can attack helicopters, any realistic scenario would be painfull with existing assets. What DCS really lack, are early 2000's threats, our early XXIc modules have to face boring early 80's Soviet SAMs, new CH assets will be filling this hole a bit, but it's a long way.

Edited 23 hours ago by Ramius007

[TheBiggerBass]

vor 2 Minuten schrieb Ramius007:

We dont have present time flyable modules in the first place, our lot 20 Hornet is already phased out from USN, and retiring from USMC, same with Harrier, F-15C retired this year, except Jeff we dont really have FF module that can play modern redfor, and even Jeff is old, no AESA pre blk.3 variant, A-10C kinda fit, but have fun against 2020's threats, same can be said about Apache facing manpads proliferation and UAV that can attack helicopters, any realistic scenario would be painfull with existing assets. What DCS really lack, are early 2000's threats, our early XXIc modules have to face boring early 80's Soviet SAMs, new CH assets will be filling this hole a bit, but it's a long way.

Agree 100%. In year 2000+ RL missions aircrafts from the 60ies/70ies/80ies/90ies were used, which is the main focus of DCS. Even 50ies jets are still in use in some minor air forces.

[smoking_ace420]

19 hours ago, SteelPig said:

The Vipers and Hornets we have are from the same timeframe. 

I thought they were from the early 00s. 

[OmasRachE]

F16 1991 and F18 somewhat around 1999 if I remeber it correct.

[Ramius007]

Link 16, helmet and aim-9x were not a thing before XXIc, GPS in aircrafts? certainly not 1991, during Desert Storm ground GPS tools were common, but ALL planes used during confict based on INS, drifting like hell, and pilots often turned back to radio navigation. Fun fact, that even things like NVG during 90's was not a std on F-15's. Our Hornet C lot 20 have upgraded engines and radar over 80's predecessor, it's still relatively close to CW one, if we remove DL, helmet and modern weapons,maybe for those reasons ED added Welleye II that was retired shortly after ODS, so there was practically no chance that lot 20 could even use it... Same can be said about DCS Viper. If you had to use early 80's Viper it would be a culture shock, especially old pulse doppler radar with range comperable to Fulcrum and similarly prone to notching and jamming. A Vipers were not HARM capable either, but older Vipers C were rather comperable to one we have in a2g, just diffrent weapon options with various foreign customers.