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[diveplane]

just seen this movie , very enjoyable , 3d version

 

 

..graphics are breathtaking.

[StrongHarm]

I agree, due to the effects! That film made my mouth hang open. However... I was discouraged by the level of liberal propaganda and indoctrination the movie contained. I agree that we need to save the environment, and I agree that war is hell (first hand), but I think the 'god' that is nature and the 'evil' United States Marines are just a bit too zealous for my taste. Some people might say "hey now, it's just a movie.. and it was a good one at that!". There were a lot of people who sniffed at the controversy of the TV show Murphy Brown in the 90s, when she was having a baby out of wedlock. Some said that it was opening television to an immoral stance, others said that it was just reality. Now look at our media. ABC Family has shows with teenage mothers sleeping around. They think they're being trendy by stepping further out. How much further out will we step, and will we even recognize it. The line is way back there.

 

I've walked out of movies more than once with a bellow of 'that's bull$' if I think it's more propaganda, and I'll do it again. I think I'll just fly my chopper with a smile and watch civilization implode around me. :)

 

Want to see some reality.. see Book of Eli. That film took my breath away.

[asparagin]

I was discouraged by the level of liberal propaganda and indoctrination the movie contained. I agree that we need to save the environment, and I agree that war is hell (first hand), but I think the 'god' that is nature and the 'evil' United States Marines are just a bit too zealous for my taste.

 

I don't see it like that. Why do you think is propaganda? who is behind it and what do the gain from it?

 

About the evil marines: The US Marines as a part of the US Army are just an instrument of politics. I don't find a reason for someone to consider them evil. The movie is not about marines vs. native tribes but depicts the state of our society. To bring it in a near future: What do you think it will happen when we run out of gas, chaos starts people hunger and we find a planet where half naked greenies bathe in petroleum?

[159th_Viper]

Different Strokes for Different Folks......

[Grimes]

First off they were space marines, but they still are bound by the laws of Marines. Thus they often screamed "GET SOME" and were keen to go into combat.

 

 

James Cameron has had a knack of making films about nature vs technology. In most cases in his films the side with technology is destined to fail. This is true in Terminator, Titanic, Avatar, and Aliens. Honestly I see common ground of this comparison with Native Americans and the discovery of the "New World" and the subsequent friction caused between both cultures that lasted hundreds of years. Yes, similarities between the conflict of Avatar and the conflict that exists currently do exist. But in my opinion, the amount of work that went into making the movie was meant for the viewer to be transported to and overwhelmed by the world of Pandora so they didn't draw comparisons to the modern era while viewing it.

[51GRIZZLY]

They are not even Space marines in the true sence because, as Sully states in the first minutes of the movie, they are are all (like himself) ex marines

now working for the mining corporation and all they now have in common with actual marines is their attitude.

 

The Colonel just like Sully was member of a marine recon unit before he became head of security on Pandora.

[talisman]

Lets face it, this is not propaganda, if we must go down thr story telling route its in fact the story of the invasion of the united states by the westorn world. This isnt some fantacy built to make us look at the environment in a different way. Its an excellent story written to show what us humans are capable of when we want something.

 

Remember dances with wolves? The last samari? even a man called horse! All the same story from different perspectives. I dont think that was propaganda!

[Frostie]

I can't see the movie having as much appeal in the US if the marines and the megalomaniac corp. had been from say the Orient or Africa meaning the leading stars were Oriental or African. And I doubt there would be any claims of propaganda.

It had a good story to tell and it was brought to you well, anything else is just a delusion of grandeur.

[A.S]

quote: "..isnt it always like that, if someone has something you want, just make him to an enemy.."

[Vekkinho]

I think it's a one helluva movie, I was sitting with 3D goggles for 3 hours, eating popcorn and drinking Coke and when film ended I hated my return to reality.

 

I also recommend Sherlock Holmes!

 

Next on my "to see" list is The book of Eli.

[gigz-on]

I also recommend Sherlock Holmes!

Yeah, I really like it! :thumbup:

Mega-fun for two hours! :megalol:

[StrongHarm]

Sherlock Holmes was one of the best films I've seen in a long time.. but The Book of Eli is in my top five for story line.. epic! Avatar was THE best visually bar none. I'd like to clarify that despite my dislike for neoenviro/anti-national security/Holly(warmfuzzy)wood propaganda, I thoroughly enjoyed the visual experience. I need to read up on their rendering methods. I can't imagine how they achieved it.

[diveplane]

way i seen the movie was.. mankind in general is a greedy race no regard to other lifeforms and enviroment, for self service and own needs. just look at our own earth planet for real,.. its a mess..

 

conspiracy forums i go into and read. , many agree planet earth is a prison planet , man is not allowed to venture into deep space atm, untill we get our act together.

 

imo this is what the film was sending out. if we did venture deep out into space with the STS greedy state of minds , the plunder rape we would cause to other world planets.

Edited January 25, 2010 by diveplane

[Pilotasso]

I enjoyed the movie, though it has one flaw: Its Pocahontas gone alien. :D It stained the the movie a little bit.

 

I dont see any propaganda on it as some saw, I saw simply a tale of basic human trait of repeating mistakes of the past.

[diveplane]

Sherlock Holmes was one of the best films I've seen in a long time.. but The Book of Eli is in my top five for story line.. epic! Avatar was THE best visually bar none. I'd like to clarify that despite my dislike for neoenviro/anti-national security/Holly(warmfuzzy)wood propaganda, I thoroughly enjoyed the visual experience. I need to read up on their rendering methods. I can't imagine how they achieved it.

 

worlds best animators wire 3d mesh pc model makers. textures audio artists you name it.

 

[thereminqblank]

The 3D visuals were absolutely amazing. I was a little sceptical about it, thinking back to the days where only part of the movie would be in 3D and you would have to wear the cardboard glasses with blue and red celophane.

 

I don't think it would have been much of a movie without it though. It was really cheesy and predictable.

 

He really should have done another Terminator film, but in 3D.

 

...with Summer Glau...

 

...in 3D... :surprise:

[diveplane]

The 3D visuals were absolutely amazing. I was a little sceptical about it, thinking back to the days where only part of the movie would be in 3D and you would have to wear the cardboard glasses with blue and red celophane.

 

I don't think it would have been much of a movie without it though. It was really cheesy and predictable.

 

He really should have done another Terminator film, but in 3D.

 

...with Summer Glau...

 

...in 3D... :surprise:

 

plz no more terminator movies.. not for now ..

[Grimes]

I honestly have a love/hate relationship with the usage of 3d effects (that require glasses). There will always be those effects in CG animated films or horror movies that are put in there just for the sake of putting them in. Avatar didnt seem to have very many of them and I'm quite glad that did it that way. Most of the stereoscopic effects in Avatar were just there to add depth. I'd think the movie's visuals would still stand up well when watched on a normal display.

[RvEYoda]

well the movie was good, but..

 

I really disliked when the main character ( cant remember his name ) gave his

"war arousal speech" to rally the Navi troops. It made me really sad and angry.

That kind of lowered my overall impression of the movie by quite a lot.

Edited January 25, 2010 by =RvE=Yoda

[gumball360]

well the movie was good, but..

One thing i did not like about it was the sort of "glorification" of war in it.

I really disliked when the main character ( cant remember his name ) gave his

"battle speech" to rally the Navi troops. It made me really sad and angry.

That kind of lowered my overall impression of the movie by quite a lot.

 

Strangely i am a really big fan of war movies....I just dont like that part above..

 

"Glorification of war"? That was the OPPOSITE point of the movie!

 

The evil humans slaughtering the poor, innocent, tree-hugging Na'vi? Doesn't sound like any glorification at all.

[RvEYoda]

"Glorification of war"? That was the OPPOSITE point of the movie!

 

The evil humans slaughtering the poor, innocent, tree-hugging Na'vi? Doesn't sound like any glorification at all.

 

hmm. I dont know how to explain it.

Let's call it "stressing/shouting people to fighting". Dont know how to put it really.

[StrongHarm]

'Seduced' is the word you may be looking for.

 

I think it was the intention of the producer to give you that feeling. The movie was full of extremes. The extreme beauty of the forest. The extreme peace of it's inhabitants, yet their brutal base nature, which seemed justified to contrast the brutal nature of the humans which was unjustified.. further voicing the fact that we the humans (U.S. Marine at the forefront) are evil warmongers who care nothing for beauty, but have a fetish for machines with ugly lines that cause death. It was inevitable that one of US would profane these poor peaceful people who are cared for by the sentient godlike forest. Pass it around and put on some tiedye, dude... I think I see the green light... I have to change! heheh

[Grimes]

hmm. I dont know how to explain it.

Let's call it "stressing/shouting people to fighting". Dont know how to put it really.

 

 

Yoda, its something that is common throughout cinema. I wouldn't necessarily call it a glorification of war, there were quite a few scenes showing how saddened and depressed the Navi were over the destruction of the environment and their home. The intense battle sequences were only in the last quarter of the movie, as a result I wouldn't classify Avatar as a "war movie." That said, In my opinion few movies purposefully try to glorify war. In most cases its the viewer who decides how to interpret a war movie.

[RvEYoda]

'Seduced' is the word you may be looking for.

 

I think it was the intention of the producer to give you that feeling. The movie was full of extremes. The extreme beauty of the forest. The extreme peace of it's inhabitants, yet their brutal base nature, which seemed justified to contrast the brutal nature of the humans which was unjustified.. further voicing the fact that we the humans (U.S. Marine at the forefront) are evil warmongers who care nothing for beauty, but have a fetish for machines with ugly lines that cause death. It was inevitable that one of US would profane these poor peaceful people who are cared for by the sentient godlike forest. Pass it around and put on some tiedye, dude... I think I see the green light... I have to change! heheh

 

Yes that is good as a word for what I tried to express, I will edit my post, thanks.

English is not my first language. :)

 

I think it was something like this "Oh getting goose bumps from this.."....then "Wait.....im getting

goose bumps from a war speech/rally/arousal?".....I think that summarizes what I disliked

Edited January 25, 2010 by =RvE=Yoda

[Frostie]

 

Yoda, its something that is common throughout cinema.

Inspiring to win through a passionate speech is not a hollywood trait and nothing to have a dim view of, its a life trait and teaches us a valuable lesson about standing up for what we believe in.

 

The Navi were all set to give in against a superior foe, it takes an inspirational leader to drive these people beyond their common boundries to take back what is theirs. This happens in all walks of life, more so today in sports. Its how nature works, the weak always fade out.