Next DCS (US) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

[Demongornot]

@EtherealN Its what i have think, but actually without any SDK or tools its not possible to create a new aircraft, maybe modified several things in actual but that's all...

 

@ogata321 that will be perfect but ED will work on it for a LOOOONG period of time :D

Look the time between every DCS aircraft, its not fast to do, its a long and hard work, but maybe with the time do every FC aircraft as the same level than the SU25T can be possible, advanced flight model and a little more avionic.

 

@Blaze, i have never say that its easy, i just said : for ED its less hard (don't mistake with easy) compare to DCS aircraft completely reproduced, look the difference between simple freeware aircraft in MFS created by anyone and an aircraft like PMDG 737 or the VRS Super Hornet, for DCS/FC its the same, DCS aircraft will always be more complex, harder, and longer to create than FC aircraft, compare to DCS aircraft FC aircraft are not hard, that don't what mean that its easy to create it, and i say "hard/not hard" for ED team, not for everyone who want try to create one...

[Blaze]

People need to stop "ass"uming that it's going to be a Hornet, and making dedicated threads for this. Getting a little old. :)

[Frostiken]

I have no idea what the hell that is up there. The only thing I thought when I heard 'Colonial' was the dropship from Aliens.

 

 

Anyway, what I really, really want is a DCS-level Mechwarrior game. If you've played Mechwarrior, while there's a lot of neat concepts, it's really got a lot of simplification and silliness about it. To hell with that, I want to flip switches and push buttons and have things happen!

[Frostiken]

With a video like this its time to announce this baby ! Lets go ED :)

 

 

It's also the most realistic: Notice that none of the F/A-18s in that video dropped any ordnance or, well, accomplished anything :D

 

Honestly though, I'd rather have an F/A-18 than "Yet Another F-16 Sim" because DCS: F-16 would be a massive waste given BMS / F4AF, but it's still a dull airframe. It's like getting excited about a slightly used sensibly-priced midsized Kia. Part of what makes a simulated aircraft interesting in my eyes is the history behind it. Aircraft that achieved impressive things or are historically famous or have done great things in time of war. I'm not saying that's all there is to it, but it really does bring to life the charm of flying them. The KA-50 is unique in that it's a single seater (that and I had absolutely no idea what it was when I bought it). The F4 Phantom has oodles of history behind it and really represented the turning-point in US aircraft development. The MiG-25 represented the USSR through most of the Cold War and was (and really, still is) quite impressive (even if we were fooled into thinking it was better than it really was).

 

The F/A-18 doesn't have any of that... it's not done anything impressive since it was made, and when it's retired it will quietly fade into obscurity, little more than a footnote in history. I just cannot get excited about this aircraft in any way. It doesn't look impressive, it doesn't have impressive stats, it doesn't do anything impressive... the only real thing it has going for it is carrier takeoffs and landing, but that's not nearly enough to make a sim about, given that both events take place in just a few seconds.

 

It will be fun because it will be faster than anything we have now, and I'll go ahead and buy it, but not because it has the coolest-sounding tank-shredding cannon with wings attached, but because it's probably going to be the only modern aircraft sim we see for another several years.

Edited March 26, 2012 by Frostiken

[Eddie]

Oh I don't know, having spent the past week reading the Hornet flight manuals from cover to cover several times (I was bored), it does have some nice features to the Avionics that will be very useful indeed.

 

And while I agree that it's not exactly an 'amazing' airframe, should the Hornet be the next DCS module, until we can get a proper jet modelled in DCS (cough Typhoon cough) it'll do me nicely.

[Frostiken]

:megalol:

What? That's pretty much common-sense. Lack of detailed avionics, lack of 90% of features due to not-clickable cockpit, I assume even the flight model is simplified.

 

The guys at the office are wizards and can do pretty much anything they'd like, the problem is always information, time and money.

 

Well they seem to be taking up a lot of one of those :]

[Toni Carrera]

Apache Longbow

 

Hi DCS,

 

Any chance of you throwing together a Apache AH64-D application for your next title? Would love to fly one of those in a sim that you create. You certainly are the attention to detail Police and would love a modern game relating to the aircraft.

 

Fingers Crossed & Wishful Thinking

 

Toni

[Dudikoff]

Honestly though, I'd rather have an F/A-18 than "Yet Another F-16 Sim" because DCS: F-16 would be a massive waste given BMS / F4AF, but it's still a dull airframe. It's like getting excited about a slightly used sensibly-priced midsized Kia.

 

+1

 

Not that the airframe is not an achiever, far from it; it's just that being a cheaper versatile one-size-fits-all kind of a thing makes it rather average in appeal factor. I'd gladly pay $200 for a DCS:F-14D rather than $50 for the DCS:F/A-18C (or DCS:F-16C, god forbid).

 

With that in regard, IMHO ED should outsource some of the airplane production because the current business model is just too slow. OK, focus on the serious projects connected with the military, but find some external team(s) to outsource making some sexy flashy aircraft that people are willing to shell out for and get a percentage. Why have one DCS aircraft every 2+ years if we're lucky (P-51 doesn't count) and then having to rely on upgrading the old variants in the meantime when we could have e.g. two or three of them (made in parallel)?

Edited March 26, 2012 by Dudikoff

[ALDEGA]

People need to stop "ass"uming that it's going to be a Hornet, and making dedicated threads for this. Getting a little old. :)

ED did renew the f-18c.com domain recently ... ;)

[Cali]

Honestly though, I'd rather have an F/A-18 than "Yet Another F-16 Sim" because DCS: F-16 would be a massive waste given BMS / F4AF, but it's still a dull airframe. It's like getting excited about a slightly used sensibly-priced midsized Kia. Part of what makes a simulated aircraft interesting in my eyes is the history behind it. Aircraft that achieved impressive things or are historically famous or have done great things in time of war. I'm not saying that's all there is to it, but it really does bring to life the charm of flying them. The KA-50 is unique in that it's a single seater (that and I had absolutely no idea what it was when I bought it). The F4 Phantom has oodles of history behind it and really represented the turning-point in US aircraft development. The MiG-25 represented the USSR through most of the Cold War and was (and really, still is) quite impressive (even if we were fooled into thinking it was better than it really was).

 

 

There are a lot of people that want an F-16, yes it's been done before, but so has an F-18 and F-15. Eventually or hopefully we will have all these aircraft in DCS. But saying it would be a waste of time isn't right, because you don't want it. I think DCS P51 is a waste of time, but it's not up to me what is a waste of time or not, it's up to ed. they'll see if it's a waste of time from the numbers thats sold vs hours/money put into it.

 

@ Aldega, just cause ed renewed a website doesn't mean anything. Ed made nice models (F-16/F-18) for lock on, FC1/FC2 were they added as flyables in there....no.

[DethInACan]

in regards to the F-16

 

Not that the airframe is not an achiever, far from it; it's just that being a cheaper versatile one-size-fits-all kind of a thing makes it rather average in appeal factor. I'd gladly pay $200 for a DCS:F-14D rather than $50 for the DCS:F/A-18C (or DCS:F-16C, god forbid).

 

THIS. I would agree the F-16 has decent sims and while a remake would be alright I would much rather the F-14D. I wouldn't mind the F/A-18 either, I guess what I really want is CARRIER OPERATIONS. Having realistic carrier ops would be so cool...

[HerrKaputt]

With that in regard, IMHO ED should outsource some of the airplane production because the current business model is just too slow. OK, focus on the serious projects connected with the military, but find some external team(s) to outsource making some sexy flashy aircraft that people are willing to shell out for and get a percentage. Why have one DCS aircraft every 2+ years if we're lucky (P-51 doesn't count) and then having to rely on upgrading the old variants in the meantime when we could have e.g. two or three of them (made in parallel)?

 

That certainly makes new aircraft come out faster, but also makes it harder to ensure proper quality of the product. The future success of the DCS brand depends strongly on creating a strong brand name. People must associate "DCS: X" with the thought "true-to-life sim of plane X", and I'm not sure how many 3rd parties can fulfill that.

[Frostiken]

There are a lot of people that want an F-16, yes it's been done before, but so has an F-18 and F-15.

Well the difference between those is that the F-15 / F-18 haven't been touched in over a decade, F-16 was updated like a week ago and is still under very active development. At this point in the game, the only thing DCS could do differently as far as the F-16 goes is make it look better, and wanting a sim just because of a graphical update is kind of petty. It's not like they're going to fill their F-16 with a bunch of laser cannons and other whacky shit that BMS isn't able to.

[Cali]

Well the difference between those is that the F-15 / F-18 haven't been touched in over a decade, F-16 was updated like a week ago and is still under very active development. At this point in the game, the only thing DCS could do differently as far as the F-16 goes is make it look better, and wanting a sim just because of a graphical update is kind of petty. It's not like they're going to fill their F-16 with a bunch of laser cannons and other whacky shit that BMS isn't able to.

 

It doesn't matter what we say, it's what ed gets and what they want.

[Frostie]

F-14/F-15 with Aim-7, gives them more time to work on making an active missile that works. And gives us a fantastic aircraft designed with purpose in mind, a true king of the skies instead of a cheap multi-role aircraft (F-18, F-16) built with cost as the main focus in design.

[EtherealN]

gives them more time to work on making an active missile that works.

 

Yeah, I'd love to have proper datalinks to my Slammers too... :D

 

There is some point to 7's though. I am annoyed at how most F-15 drivers loathe them - they're awesome for use when you have a furball going on since they make it easier to deconflict shots.

[Frostie]

Yeah, I'd love to have proper datalinks to my Slammers too... :D

 

Not only that, lofting, fusing, seeker are amongst many reasons why FC's slammer just doesn't cut it.

 

What i want to know is why no Russian aircraft here.

[EtherealN]

Because the product after P-51 is already known to be american. (Which is ofc also all that is publically known about it, but still. :) )

[jp203000]

Because the product after P-51 is already known to be american. (Which is ofc also all that is publically known about it, but still. :) )

 

Will ED release a range of products in the order as listed on wags's statement?

1.combined arms

2.FC3

3 Nevada map

4 P51

etc....

I noticed he said p51's going to be available in the first half of 2012 , first half of 2012 means June the first. Taday is March 27 . :huh:

 

In the coming two months , we have so many things to welcome？

Edited March 27, 2012 by jp203000

[EtherealN]

The order in the statement is not linked in any way to the order finished products get released.

 

As for release date for the Flying Legends DCS P-51D, I don't have one. Please understand that such things are subject to change - it needs to be finished first. :) I am however not the right person to make estimates of current development status as far as release dates are concerned, and even if I was I don't have any input or say on release dates. I can only relay what is made official.

[jp203000]

I was wrong ,first half is june 31. we still have 3 months to wait.

[MemphisBelle]

Will ED release a range of products in the order as listed on wags's statement?

1.combined arms

2.FC3

3 Nevada map

4 P51

etc....

I noticed he said p51's going to be available in the first half of 2012 , first half of 2012 means June the first. Taday is March 27 . :huh:

 

In the coming two months , we have so many things to welcome？

 

don´t forget that Wags has also stated that the next DCS Jet Fighter Module is worked on in parallel, so my guess is that we will see the both Flying Modules at first. May be Nevada and Combined Arms in second wave and third one might be FC3...that´s all my personal guess!

[jp203000]

don´t forget that Wags has also stated that the next DCS Jet Fighter Module is worked on in parallel, so my guess is that we will see the both Flying Modules at first. May be Nevada and Combined Arms in second wave and third one might be FC3...that´s all my personal guess!

 

Worked in parallel just tells us they are both in development, the fact of " Area 51" will be offically sataed in the first half of 2013 at the earliest i guss, fine always show behind.

[Demongornot]

I have get secret info and i know what will be the next aircraft...

DCS Paper Plane !!!

http://monsterguide.net/files/2009/03/stealth-glider-paper-plane.jpg

:p

 

And yes ED work in several aircraft in parallel, maybe more than what we know like F-16, SU-27 (like Wags have said one day) MIL-24, Apache, Mig 21 and maybe other too in the same time...

 

Imagine if ED give us a surprise and release two aircraft in the same time, like F/A-18C Hornet and SU-27 Flanker !, ok i don't believe it will be possible but its not impossible cause maybe ED have aircraft already finish (or almost) and wait for release it...

[MemphisBelle]

Worked in parallel just tells us they are both in development, the fact of " Area 51" will be offically sataed in the first half of 2013 at the earliest i guss, fine always show behind.

 

I dont really think (hope) so, that we´ll get the first information in first half of 2013...may be we are all no more alive then :D

kidding,

Someone said, that there´s actually no reason to not announce the next DCS Fighter Jet together with the P-51. The only reason he and I can imagine is the fact that ED dont want to take the focus away from the P-51, due to the next DCS whatevercraft. So I could really imagine that we will at least get the first information about the next one, once the P-51 has finally been released (retail)...but if that means that we´d have to await the patches so it could really happen to be 2013...(I really don´t hope so)